Wha?

[SnakeBoy]

Why are we to be the police force for the globe?

They call it WWII. I'm not sure what it stands for but apparently it killed the ideology you think you believe in.

[Parker2112]

I guess if getting vague intel that terrorists were trying to attack america, then clinton did nothing as well. Your logic fail

what are you tlking about exactly, conspiracy nut?


It seems you are the one distorting truth. Either that or you are believing someone elses distorted truth. Good job making assumptions and then have a witty comment to cover the assumption. I bet you had that get er done thing waiting for a good week. The only vile i notice is from liberals, with your posts as great examples.

Clueless? Or stubborn? Well, here is a cure for one of them, from the Independent in UK: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ck-607393.html

America had 12 warnings of aircraft attack

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By Rupert Cornwell

Thursday, 19 September 2002

American intelligence received many more clues before the 11 September attacks than previously disclosed, that terrorists might hijack planes and turn them into weapons, a joint congressional committee was told yesterday.

American intelligence received many more clues before the 11 September attacks than previously disclosed, that terrorists might hijack planes and turn them into weapons, a joint congressional committee was told yesterday.
In a 30-page report, Eleanor Hill, staff director of the joint House and Senate intelligence committee investigating the terrorist strikes, cited no less than 12 examples of intelligence information on the possible use of airliners as weapons. They stretch from 1994 to August 2001, when word came of a plot by Osama bin Laden to fly a plane into the US embassy in Nairobi, Kenya.
Other information, in autumn 1998, warned that "a group of unidentified Arabs" planned to fly an explosive-laden plane from a foreign country into the World Trade Centre. That report was given to the Federal Aviation Administration and FBI.
The report disclosed that the National Security Agency, which specialises in electronic eavesdropping, had intercepted no less than 33 messages between May and July 2001, warning of a "possible imminent terrorist attack". US intelligence also received word from a source just back from Afghanistan in summer 2001, that "everyone is talking about an impending attack".
Perhaps most frustrating of all in hindsight, a briefing for senior government officials just two months before the attacks concluded that on the basis of a review of intelligence over five months, "we believe that he [Mr bin Laden] will launch a significant terrorist attack against US and/or Israeli interests in the coming weeks". It would be "spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against US facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. The attack will occur with little or no warning."

[Parker2112]

Here's some more for your reading pleasure:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/index.htm,

Including the Presidents Brief:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...db8-6-2001.pdf

Which mentions al queada, Bin Laden, Hijackings, attack, New York...all within two paragraphs!

VERY ING VAGUE, I'D SAY! And your FOS, something I would also say.

[Parker2112]

I guess if getting vague intel that terrorists were trying to attack america, then clinton did nothing as well. Your logic fail

what are you tlking about exactly, conspiracy nut?


It seems you are the one distorting truth. Either that or you are believing someone elses distorted truth. Good job making assumptions and then have a witty comment to cover the assumption. I bet you had that get er done thing waiting for a good week. The only vile i notice is from liberals, with your posts as great examples.

SNC, I would say these news bits have been posted here before, ad nauseum..which probably makes you a repug apologist and a repug liar simultaneously. but dont get the big head...your not the only one!

[Wild Cobra]

What did Carter do about Iran?

He made it possible for the overthrow of the former head of state.

[Wild Cobra]

Iran wasn't ever a threat to USA. Destroying a US embassy is not a threat to USA. The Repugs/Reagan secretly undercut Carter by negotiating with the Iranians to hold the hostages until after the election.

Revisionist history at it['s finest people.

I was already past drinking age then. There definitely was not any indication of that in 1980.

Bouton's...

You are a total fool if you believe that.

Were you at least of voting age back then?

Then the Repugs/Reagan did all about punishing Iran, because their priority was putting Movement Conservatism into practice by deregulating finance (lead directly to S&L disaster), cutting taxes on the rich, and raising payroll taxes, primarily hitting the poor.

Bull .

The Carter administration was appalled by the very harsh measures of the Pahlavi dynasty. However, they knew how to squelch those who were serious Jihadist type troublemakers. The Carter administration allowed the overthrow of Iran. Iran used to be a model country in the Middle east. Iraq was just behind them before Saddam took power they had great universities, hospitals, etc. the change in power in both nations not only lead to a war between them, but the new leaders were far more totalitarian than the former. We can thank President Carter for that.

Of course, the Iranian revolution was prepared by the CIA overthrowing the democratically elected Iran govt that was going to national Anlgo-Iranian Oil company and Britain's oil investments.

If anything, with 20/20 hindsight, they realized they ed up in helping the Carter administration.

Wonder why Iranians hated the CIA's puppets of the Shah's family, why they hated USA?

They didn't. The populous of Iran loves western ways. At least those who remember the 70's.
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[Wild Cobra]

The Bill gives details. Its domestic service UNTIL President declares times of war. Then they get a uniform. Deceptive methods to implement a draft.

At least Rangel hasn't been able to get any co-sponsors on the bill yet. He's still flying solo.

H.R. 5741

[ChumpDumper]

He made it possible for the overthrow of the former head of state.

By not getting involved in the losing side of a civil war?

Seeing as no president really ever did anything about Iran afterward -- as SnC tacitly confessed -- that was probably a good move.

[CosmicCowboy]

Bouton's...

You are a total fool if you believe that.

Were you at least of voting age back then?

, is even old enough to vote now? Most of his posts sound like a Sop re in High School.

[spursncowboys]

Clueless? Or stubborn? Well, here is a cure for one of them, from the Independent in UK: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ck-607393.html

Rupert Cornwell? Not going specificially against his writing. Even though he is a complete liberal hack and anti-Bush even on the MSM curve.

[Parker2112]

Rupert Cornwell? Not going specificially against his writing. Even though he is a complete liberal hack and anti-Bush even on the MSM curve.

The official doc released by the Bush admin is right there man. Open it. Read it. Or is Bush a Liberal Hack Too?

It must be great to live in a world that you and only you possess the key too SNC...a world where you can discredit anyone who disagrees with your POV, and where you are always right and everyone opposing you is wrong. And where the facts mean , even if they are from Bush himself.

Oh, wait, your repug! That says it all...

[Wild Cobra]

Most of his posts sound like a Sop re in High School.

You give him more credit than i do.

But then, a Sop re today is probably like a 7th grader when I was in school for education.

[spursncowboys]

Parker. You put out this propaganda with no real evidence. just some conspiracy theory that bush and cheney knew 911 was coming and did nothing. this is the type of crap freshmen in college regurgitate w/o doing any homework. i read the memo. Like I said it was the same intel clinton was getting in late 2000's. I think both parties were willing to live with uss cole attacks. That type of pisses me off.
I'm not trying to discredit you because I disagree with you. However you have made a name for yourself so far of pushing this propaganda.

I'm not a republican.

[Wild Cobra]

But then, a Sop re today is probably like a 7th grader when I was in school for education.

In defense of this remark, but I shouldn't have to...

When you get government involved, you end up with lowest common denominator results.

I'll bet no one can claim otherwise.

[Parker2112]

Parker. You put out this propaganda with no real evidence. just some conspiracy theory that bush and cheney knew 911 was coming and did nothing. this is the type of crap freshmen in college regurgitate w/o doing any homework. i read the memo. Like I said it was the same intel clinton was getting in late 2000's. I think both parties were willing to live with uss cole attacks. That type of pisses me off.
I'm not trying to discredit you because I disagree with you. However you have made a name for yourself so far of pushing this propaganda.

I'm not a republican.

SNC...

Regardless of how you want to couch this brief (Clinton didnt do anything, so Bush was exempt), this is proof that they knew about it and did nothing. Remind me when the air marshall's hit the scene. remind me when security got ramped up.

Its no longer conspiracy theory when the do ent is in your hands. It becomes IRREFUTABLE FACT. Even when those facts are inconvenient, you and the entire ing fox news brigade cant ing wish them away. they are the whole story.

It was Bush's job, as the head of the executive branch to make sure we the people were protected based on that intelligence. AND HE FAILED MISERABLY. Just like your logic. You or Bush can run and hide from the facts. Thats why they call them facts.

You can try and spin like Bill O all you ing want (he's liberal, you wear a tin hat, Clinton was weak) but ALL THE IN NAME CALLING IN THE WORLD DOESNT CHANGE THE FACTS.

Of course your getting pissed, because the spots on your arguments are on full display for everyone in the neighborhood to see.

For the record: do I think 9/11 was an inside job? No. DO I THINK BUSH IS A ING C STUDENT WHO CANT FIND HIS ASS WITH BOTH HANDS, AND BOTCHED HIS ENTIRE PRESIDENCY? Well, yeah....I do. I think if he was on the ing ball 9/11 doesnt happen. AND DONT EVEN TRY THAT ABOUT CLINTON BECAUSE HE WASNT IN OFFICE ON MAY 2001, er. Your boy was, and he had intel. and he ing laid down like a two dollar in the backseat of a civic on Broadway. Except the American people took the ing.

Fact.

[spursncowboys]

SNC...

Regardless of how you want to couch this brief (Clinton didnt do anything, so Bush was exempt), this is proof that they knew about it and did nothing. Remind me when the air marshall's hit the scene. remind me when security got ramped up.

Its no longer conspiracy theory when the do ent is in your hands. It becomes IRREFUTABLE FACT. Even when those facts are inconvenient, you and the entire ing fox news brigade cant ing wish them away. they are the whole story.

what fact exactly?

[spursncowboys]

in reference to bush: what are you saying exactly and where in that memo do that facts prove that? I honestly could find it and maybe i misread your statement.

[spursncowboys]

SNC...

Regardless of how you want to couch this brief (Clinton didnt do anything, so Bush was exempt), this is proof that they knew about it and did nothing. Remind me when the air marshall's hit the scene. remind me when security got ramped up.

Its no longer conspiracy theory when the do ent is in your hands. It becomes IRREFUTABLE FACT. Even when those facts are inconvenient, you and the entire ing fox news brigade cant ing wish them away. they are the whole story.

It was Bush's job, as the head of the executive branch to make sure we the people were protected based on that intelligence. AND HE FAILED MISERABLY. Just like your logic. You or Bush can run and hide from the facts. Thats why they call them facts.

You can try and spin like Bill O all you ing want (he's liberal, you wear a tin hat, Clinton was weak) but ALL THE IN NAME CALLING IN THE WORLD DOESNT CHANGE THE FACTS.

Of course your getting pissed, because the spots on your arguments are on full display for everyone in the neighborhood to see.

For the record: do I think 9/11 was an inside job? No. DO I THINK BUSH IS A ING C STUDENT WHO CANT FIND HIS ASS WITH BOTH HANDS, AND BOTCHED HIS ENTIRE PRESIDENCY? Well, yeah....I do. I think if he was on the ing ball 9/11 doesnt happen. AND DONT EVEN TRY THAT ABOUT CLINTON BECAUSE HE WASNT IN OFFICE ON MAY 2001, er. Your boy was, and he had intel. and he ing laid down like a two dollar in the backseat of a civic on Broadway. Except the American people took the ing.

Fact.

[Parker2112]

INDISPUTABLE Facts:

This Presidents Brief:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...db8-6-2001.pdf

shows that on Aug 6 2001, President Bush was informed that:
1) Al Queida operatives inside th US, some US citizens
2) possessed the necessary support structure,
3) were known to have been recruiting in New York
4) and were known by the FBI to have been surveilling buildings in NY
5) with other su ious activity observed by FBI consistent with plans for airplane hijacking.

President Bush never acted on this briefing. Next month, it all came to pass.

[Ignignokt]

This is where i disagree with parker.

Bush had very vague intelligence, but if he had to protect us from 911, he didn't have the legal power to do anything to the hijackers, and he would have had to resort to violating civil liberties to stop the hijackers. There would have had to have been racial profiling, wiretapping, and arrests w/o warrants to stop that because the memo didn't contain who the highjackers were. And there were probably many terror cells in the US who would have been just as suspect, how do you go about rounding them all?


So, I can't take conspiracy hacks srsly. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

[Ignignokt]

INDISPUTABLE Facts:

This Presidents Brief:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...db8-6-2001.pdf

shows that on Aug 6 2001, President Bush was informed that:
1) Al Queida operatives inside th US, some US citizens
2) possessed the necessary support structure,
3) were known to have been recruiting in New York
4) and were known by the FBI to have been surveilling buildings in NY
5) with other su ious activity observed by FBI consistent with plans for airplane hijacking.

President Bush never acted on this briefing. Next month, it all came to pass.

Bush doesn't have to act on it, the agencies are equipped to handle those things. Do you think bush has to arrest the criminals himself?

I have an open mind, tell me what Bush could have done to stop those acts?

[Ignignokt]

Aug 6, that's only a month's notice. Do you really think he could have done something in the nick of time by obeying the cons ution?

[Parker2112]

Bush doesn't have to act on it, the agencies are equipped to handle those things. Do you think bush has to arrest the criminals himself?

I have an open mind, tell me what Bush could have done to stop those acts?

Air marshalls. increased security at boarding. increased pit security protocols. Increased info exchange between agencies. Walk onto an aircraft carrier in an oversized codpeice and declare victory. Increase code yellow to code burnt orange terror alert, or whatthe ever. Everything they implemented after the fact essentially.

Bush isnt responsible for arresting them, but as the head of the executive branch, he could demand that our intelligence and enforcement agencies (who answer to him ultimately) (which you should know) 1. report fully what they knew 2. orchestrate a plan of defense from such an attack, and 3. do EVERY DAMN THING IN THEIR POWER TO MAKE SURE 9-11 never happens.

Thats what never happened but could've.

[Parker2112]

long story short...do his damn job and keep the country safe.

[SnakeBoy]

Self proclaimed libertarian ing about how the president should have excercised more power to keep him safe...priceless.