This ain't just about football or sports--as has been posted before, money is the bottom line. Big 12-2 is a weaker conference because of greed, and we not only lost CU and tradition-laden Nebraska, but our conference championship as well.
Big 12 is one of the shadiest conferences in Football. Not the most, but alteast in the SEC there is equal revenue sharing. Vanderbilt gets the same tv contract money as florida.
You'd be dumb to listen to all these UT fans and not jump ship.
LOL Kstate! YOu would jump if the $EC offered.
the big 12 is a joke because a&m wins so many games and UT forced them to stay
A&M didn't leave because they were promised the same amount of $ that UT was going to get and considering how we have performed over the last decade, I would say that's a pretty good deal. If they want to pony up $20 mil to the Ags than so be it, but if they don't, A&M will bolt and won't think twice about UT. We stayed for one reason.... $$$$
is that a joke then?
you (aggy) could make the conference better if you won some bowl games
Beebe: "Hey, come back and we will give you all that extra money."
UT: "Nah, that's ok keep your money, we got screwed when Neb called our bluff, anyway. Just let us have our own network and we'll be fine."
uo: "UT is refusing the money?? Well we sure as can't let them one up us... we refuse the money, too!"
atm: "Refuse the money, are you ing kidding me?? Our AD has sucked wind that we need that 20 bills to avoid bankruptcy! The only reason we came back is because you guys said you would help keep us solvent!"
Beebe: "Well, it looks like we don't have your 20 bills. You can still leave, if you want, but on top of your 16 mil loan you will need to take out another one for the 10-15 you are going to owe us on an exit clause... or you can stay."
Dan Beebe ftw.
ATM: "ok, then we'll leave because we think we'll have it better in the long run over in the SEC."
Beebe: "whoa... UT and OU didn't want their exit fee money so I figured you weren't going to take it either. Just promise not to leave and you can have the $10 million I sort of promised you.
ATM: "That would be $20 million, asshole."
Beebe: "right....$20 million....that's what I said, didn't I?
Being a smaller state, of course the dissolution of the Big 12 doesn't work out well for a KS school.
That said...if the Big 12 was going to die any time soon, it would have happened last month - everything was in place for it.
There may be some posturing going on right now, but Aggie fan needs to get used to the idea that they're going to be here for a while.
As for the SEC, they're locked into their current deals through 2024 - the money per school isn't changing drastically in the near future unless they start adding teams and dilluting the value of the deal.
Of course the Cats would jump to the SEC (or the Big 10) if the highly extremely unlikely offer were ever put forth.
Would we have left this conference for the Pac 10? Probably not. Ultimately, Colorado did the rest of the conference a favor because the split 10 ways is greater than Colorado would have provided as an extra team.
LOL at Buff fan that thinks they actually bring anything to the table. You've got one thing going for you - Denver has a lot of TVs. Beyond that, nobody would touch your poorly supported programs.
Last edited by K-State Spur; 08-02-2010 at 02:56 PM.
Really. What happens when Dan "The Man" Bebe doesn't deliver on the money he promised after year one of the Big 12 - 2?
The Big 12 - 2 was thrown together at the last minute because the Pac-10 wouldn't let UT have their "Bevo" network.
The conference setup up as it is right now is a recipe for failure. It is just a matter of time before it is no longer in existence.
It's extremely laughable that any of you think that all these schools have such confidence and trust in Beebe that his promise is the only thing holding this league together.
I don't think anybody in this conference trusts Beebe any farther than his fat ass can be thrown. What kept this conference together was that Beebe actually had some VIABLE evidence behind his claims that prevented the other schools from jumping at a lucrative offer.
What's going to keep the Big 12 together long term is that they are looking at the next monster TV contract well before any other conference (except for the new Pac 10).
BTW, Pac 10 commish came out this week and said Bevo network was not an issue, there were political issues with the state that prevented the Texas schools from breaking apart from each other and leaving Baylor behind.
Texas can talk a big game about their own network - but they're still primarily a regional draw. The Big 10 network is still scuffling a bit, and it represents a much larger audience. No cable/satellite provider is going to give Texas the per/subscriber fees that Dodds thinks it will command.
They don't trust him. That's why A&M is trying to get the $20 million guarantee in writing. He's already stated through media outlets they are guaranteed $20 million (solid verbal contract with ample evidence to back it up). He might have a good 'guesstimate' of what the new contract will be worth per school via the networks, but he said that regardless of what the final numbers were he could guarantee the $20 million figure because the five schools had agreed to give their share of the Nebraska/Colorado buyout money to ensure it reached that number.
That solid verbal guarantee was enough to convince A&M to stay with the Big 12-2 and work out the details. Only a month later, however, Beebe broadcasts that 'Texas and Oklahoma have turned that money down' trying to hint/exert public pressure for A&M to do the same (issues with the penalty money might be developing; though the 5 schools will abide by their word, Nebraska and Colorado might be trying to get out of/reduce the penalties). A&M immediately let it be known that not only would they not bow to that pressure, but that they would resort to legal avenues (because of the verbal contract) available to them to compel Beebe to meet his promise/publicly known verbal contract.
Their other option (which they also leaked) would be to move to the SEC. If this had come to pass, they might try to use the legal leverage to get out of the penalty fee, but more likely they could simply leave and expect the Big 12-3 to simply disband entirely, eliminating any penalty. Beebe seems to be backtracking at the moment, but A&M is getting everything in writing to be sure.
No what kept the conference together was the fact that the Pac-10 didn't want UT having their own Bevo network and the rights to the games to be shown on that network, plus Bebe's promise of this so-called revenue stream.
If there was viable evidence it would have been leaked by some one and A&M wouldn't be requesting that $20 mil figure in writing.
Yeah because a conference with only ten teams and mostly in small to medium media markets is going to generate more income than either the SEC or Big Ten.
It did at first, but now it dwarfs anything any other conference has. I'm sure that each Big Ten team banking in 20 mil last year from the Big Ten Network still considers it to be scuffling a bit.
1) Pac 10 commish has even said that UT's network was not an impediment. He blames political issues within the state of TX, although I think this was UT posturing the whole time.No what kept the conference together was the fact that the Pac-10 didn't want UT having their own Bevo network and the rights to the games to be shown on that network, plus Bebe's promise of this so-called revenue stream.
If there was viable evidence it would have been leaked by some one and A&M wouldn't be requesting that $20 mil figure in writing.
Yeah because a conference with only ten teams and mostly in small to medium media markets is going to generate more income than either the SEC or Big Ten.
It did at first, but now it dwarfs anything any other conference has. I'm sure that each Big Ten team banking in 20 mil last year from the Big Ten Network still considers it to be scuffling a bit.
2) If there was not viable evidence - teams would have jumped. Nobody in this conference trusts Beebe enough in terms of honesty or competence to make such a MAJOR decision based on his word alone. Outside factors played in. Even if Aggie wants more now, something beyond the word of a UT mouthpiece got them on board initially.
3) I don't expect the new Big 12 to get a contract above the SEC or Big 10, but with Fox Network being rumored to want Saturday football + ESPN looking to add a monopoly on the college football market, there will be bidders than can put the PER TEAM numbers in the neighborhood of those other conferences. The ACC got that for football and they have historically received much lower ratings than Big 12 games despite the larger markets represented.
4) Big 10 Network gave each school $6.5 million last year. That's not chump change, but it represents all sports and is a far cry from $20M per school. For the schools, there is no doubt that it's been a good deal. The question is whether Cable Companies/DirecTV will be willing to continue to offer a per subscriber fee unless the network's modest ratings increases turn into monster ratings increases. That probably won't happen unless they start to hold back premium football match-ups for the network, which would severely dampen their value to ESPN/ABC - which is where they receive the bulk of their TV revenue.
Conference TV network is still a good deal that the Big 12 should be jumping on (can't because UT will shoot it down in favor of their own) - but it's long-term viability as a ratings bonanza is very much in question unless steps are taken that weaken the value of the conference to the external bidding networks.
Last edited by K-State Spur; 08-04-2010 at 10:35 AM.
Scuffling?
Have you seen the numbers? The Big10 network is a resounding success for both ratings and sponsorship.
Mostly, IMO, because Comcast got them on the standard cable package instead of a sports tier, but thats just a guess.
I should rephrase, for the schools and compared to its inception - yes, it is a success.
For the service providers (who are necessary for any long term growth of the network) - it's ratings for FB games are solid (about 2.3M per game, but only about 500,000 outside of the region), it's bball ratings are a fraction of that, and all other programming might as well be on public access.
The Big 10 is rumored to be looking for about $.70 per subscriber nationally from the cable/satellite providers in the near future. There is no way that any provider is going to give them a significant bump above their current $.05 per subscriber (or $.10 depending on who you ask) that they currently garner.
Last edited by K-State Spur; 08-04-2010 at 11:03 AM.
Ah, well you came armed to the teeth with information, so its apparent my first question might as well have been rhetorical.
Now I see what youre saying. Interesting.
Basically the bottom line is how much is 120 hours of programming (ultimately, it's only the 35-40 live football telecasts that have any real value) in a 365 day year worth to the national audience?
With reference to the proposed Texas Network, you're talking about a maximum of 25ish hours of programming in a given year.
I have my own (as stated opinions) on this subject, but I have to admit that I've been wrong enough on this board (and others) that nothing would shock me. But I do think the niche networks will continue to be more of a supplemental income as opposed to the Big Dog revenue producer for the distant future.
Came across this and thought it was pretty funny.
lolCame across this and thought it was pretty funny.
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