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    Air marshalls. increased security at boarding. increased pit security protocols. Increased info exchange between agencies. Walk onto an aircraft carrier in an oversized codpeice and declare victory. Increase code yellow to code burnt orange terror alert, or whatthe ever. Everything they implemented after the fact essentially.

    Bush isnt responsible for arresting them, but as the head of the executive branch, he could demand that our intelligence and enforcement agencies (who answer to him ultimately) (which you should know) 1. report fully what they knew 2. orchestrate a plan of defense from such an attack, and 3. do EVERY DAMN THING IN THEIR POWER TO MAKE SURE 9-11 never happens.

    Thats what never happened but could've.
    None of those things you listed stood a chance in of being initiated in a month. Let's look at Air Marshalls for example. Great idea. The Air Marshall system is already in place, so no ramp up. Now, all we have to do is

    a. Determine which flight and what day the hijackers will strike, or..
    b. Put an Air Marshall on every plane in the US every single day.

    Neither option will be valid in a 30 day time frame.
    As far as orchestrating a plan of defense, who's to say that wasn't done. It's possible there was a plan but it was either poorly executed or just a completely ty plan. Either way, a President can ask/demand all he wants. But, no President can deliver what the agencies cannot provide.
    Our governmental system was set up to prevent rapid, executive actions. I was done that way on purpose. Bush wasn't gonna change that in a month.

    Yeah, there's lots of things that could've been done prior to the event that may or may not have helped mitigate the disaster. That's very clear.....now.

    Just like going to Afghanistan now seems like a waste of lives and resources. That's becoming clear.....now.

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    Self proclaimed libertarian ing about how the president should have excercised more power to keep him safe...priceless.
    Do you understand how govt works, boy? Do you understand the duties of the chief executive? Your take is miserable fail. Go back to the drawing boards.

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    None of those things you listed stood a chance in of being initiated in a month. Let's look at Air Marshalls for example. Great idea. The Air Marshall system is already in place, so no ramp up. Now, all we have to do is

    a. Determine which flight and what day the hijackers will strike, or..
    b. Put an Air Marshall on every plane in the US every single day.
    Sorry, but you had already failed miserably by this point...I quit reading here. The problem you ask?

    The intel clearly states New York. "every plane every day" is a miserable overstatement. You guys really need to think things through before you show your ass in a post.

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    Neither option will be valid in a 30 day time frame.
    As far as orchestrating a plan of defense, who's to say that wasn't done.
    Actually its a matter of record that there was no effort to stave off such an attack. The effort came after the fact. I'll leave that to you to research further. You damn sure have some gaps to fill in in your knowledge base.

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    Self proclaimed libertarian ing about how the president should have excercised more power to keep him safe...priceless.
    After reading his response to this, he has the right idea, but just wants the protection implemented his authoritarian way. Not the method the CiC believes in.

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    Our governmental system was set up to prevent rapid, executive actions. .
    Anything that can be done by executive order goes 0-100 in no time.

    That doesnt even take into to account what can be done covertly through CIA/FBI under the guise of national security. Which the Bush admin mastered very early on in the first term.

    Not even close, Tay.

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    Do you understand how govt works, boy? Do you understand the duties of the chief executive? Your take is miserable fail. Go back to the drawing boards.
    Our last CiC did perform his duties pretty good in this regard in my view. I'm glad Obama realized his promises were a bad idea.

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    Yeah, there's lots of things that could've been done prior to the event that may or may not have helped mitigate the disaster. That's very clear.....now.

    Just like going to Afghanistan now seems like a waste of lives and resources. That's becoming clear.....now.
    By analogy: one day your at work, and you get a phone call saying there is a big shipment of french fries and onion rings that will be in sometime during the day. You know that you need to clear the boxes at the back door, because you wont be able to open it when the truck arrives, and the driver may just drop your stuff in the sun and let it melt.

    Its your job to keep the fries frozen, tay. lets say you fail at your job. you werent ready...fries are lost. Now how far is your "there's lots of things that could've been done prior to the event that may or may not have helped mitigate the disaster. That's very clear.....now..." excuse going to go with your boss?

    Well, Bush answers to the people. His job, as the Commander in Chief, is to ensure that we are are safe from attacks by foriegn agents. and with this info in his hands, and with history showing he never acted before the fries melted, his failure is clear.

    UNLIKE YOUR IMPLICATION: He didnt need to be able to fortell the future, just to read at the level of a middle schooler, and make sure that the agencies under his command were on the job.

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    Sorry, but you had already failed miserably by this point...I quit reading here. The problem you ask?

    The intel clearly states New York. "every plane every day" is a miserable overstatement. You guys really need to think things through before you show your ass in a post.
    The hijacked flights originated in Newark, Boston and DC and were all originally bound for the west coast.

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    The hijacked flights originated in Newark, Boston and DC and were all originally bound for the west coast.
    Makes it all the more su ious when the flight path deviates towards...

    NY.

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    Makes it all the more su ious when the flight path deviates towards...

    NY.
    Yes, in hindsight, one could save the world at any given time or location before the impacts. If only things had been that clear on the date in question.

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    Makes it all the more su ious when the flight path deviates towards...

    NY.
    That's a different topic, all worn out years ago. Yes, they responded, just too late.

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    The military had all of six minutes to respond after they were informed flight 11 had been hijacked.

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    The hijacked flights originated in Newark, Boston and DC and were all originally bound for the west coast.
    And are you saying that it was beyond the Fed gov capabilities to scrutinize who was boarding these planes, all of which admittedly took off from Northeastern airports?

    What about cabin security? Never touched. Could have easily been modified within a month's time.

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    And are you saying that it was beyond the Fed gov capabilities to scrutinize who was boarding these planes, all of which admittedly took off from Northeastern airports?

    What about cabin security? Never touched. Could have easily been modified within a month's time.
    As I said, it's easy to save the world in hindsight. 9/11 was the result of multiple failures on multiple levels of government. That isn't at issue.

    Military contingencies for hijackings before 9/11 were based on the assumption that the hijacking would occur on a foreign flight coming into the US, not a domestic flight. That's just the way it was.

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    And are you saying that it was beyond the Fed gov capabilities to scrutinize who was boarding these planes, all of which admittedly took off from Northeastern airports?

    What about cabin security? Never touched. Could have easily been modified within a month's time.
    There was a process in place during the Clinton years that identified many of those hijackers planning action. They ignored it.

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    There was a process in place during the Clinton years that identified many of those hijackers planning action. They ignored it.
    Who is the "they" in this sentence?

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    Sorry, but you had already failed miserably by this point...I quit reading here. The problem you ask?

    The intel clearly states New York. "every plane every day" is a miserable overstatement. You guys really need to think things through before you show your ass in a post.
    I'm not one of "those guys", Parker. And, I'll show my ass whether I think things through or not.

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    Do you understand how govt works, boy?
    Of course I do. It works by oppressing all of us, stealing our wealth just to line the pockets of of the traitorous politicians we elect and their coporate masters. Any attempt to break free of this oppression will be crushed by the industrial military complex. Someday when Ron Paul is president all of this will change.

    When Ron Paul becomes president we can all rest easy because if he recieves a report that al qaeda operatives are in the US with no other actionable information he will immediately jump into action and begin arresting and deporting all muslims like any good libertarian would...And he won't even let the french fries thaw out.

    See, I've been paying attention to your efforts to edjumacate us because the future of our country depends on it.

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    Of course I do. It works by oppressing all of us, stealing our wealth just to line the pockets of of the traitorous politicians we elect and their coporate masters. Any attempt to break free of this oppression will be crushed by the industrial military complex. Someday when Ron Paul is president all of this will change.

    When Ron Paul becomes president we can all rest easy because if he recieves a report that al qaeda operatives are in the US with no other actionable information he will immediately jump into action and begin arresting and deporting all muslims like any good libertarian would...And he won't even let the french fries thaw out.

    See, I've been paying attention to your efforts to edjumacate us because the future of our country depends on it.
    More specifically, are you clear on the responsibilities of the Executive Office?

    I'll grant you that Bush's lapse would have been the same under many other presidents. But that doesnt excuse.

    Its like trying to use the excuse that everyone else is doing something, so Im excused when I fail for the same lapse.

    If you are the last one holding the ball, you are "it." Bush was "it."

    He had a job to do and he blew it. And the corruption in government, the partisanship, the tendency to cover up anything that would encourage the voting public to wake from their slumber led both the executive and the legislative branches to gloss over those mistakes, both in testimony and investigations, and the final report on 9/11.

    AND BOTTOM LINE: PEOPLE DONT REALLY GIVE A .

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    If you are the last one holding the ball, you are "it." Bush was "it."
    So you agree that Obama is "it" now.

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    So you agree that Obama is "it" now.
    He was it on ing up the gulf oil spill, amongst other things.

    Dude, your ing partisanship overpowers your reasoning on most every issue. Your blatantly partisan. Its ridiculous. You and those like you are sinking this country

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    By analogy: one day your at work, and you get a phone call saying there is a big shipment of french fries and onion rings that will be in sometime during the day. You know that you need to clear the boxes at the back door, because you wont be able to open it when the truck arrives, and the driver may just drop your stuff in the sun and let it melt.

    Its your job to keep the fries frozen, tay. lets say you fail at your job. you werent ready...fries are lost. Now how far is your "there's lots of things that could've been done prior to the event that may or may not have helped mitigate the disaster. That's very clear.....now..." excuse going to go with your boss?

    Well, Bush answers to the people. His job, as the Commander in Chief, is to ensure that we are are safe from attacks by foriegn agents. and with this info in his hands, and with history showing he never acted before the fries melted, his failure is clear.

    UNLIKE YOUR IMPLICATION: He didnt need to be able to fortell the future, just to read at the level of a middle schooler, and make sure that the agencies under his command were on the job.
    Im sure it was a typo and you meant freedom fries.

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    Of course I do. It works by oppressing all of us, stealing our wealth just to line the pockets of of the traitorous politicians we elect and their coporate masters. Any attempt to break free of this oppression will be crushed by the industrial military complex. Someday when Ron Paul is president all of this will change.

    When Ron Paul becomes president we can all rest easy because if he recieves a report that al qaeda operatives are in the US with no other actionable information he will immediately jump into action and begin arresting and deporting all muslims like any good libertarian would...And he won't even let the french fries thaw out.

    See, I've been paying attention to your efforts to edjumacate us because the future of our country depends on it.
    you did the typo too. pure accident I'm sure.

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    Im sure it was a typo and you meant freedom fries.
    Freedom fries! Boycotting France was as stupid as boycotting Arizona! That was funny.

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