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HH pleasing his new crew and still defending MVPau. Nice.
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No, Kobe Bryant isn't the reason Gasol improved.
The reasons are:
1) Gasol hitting his phisycal and mental prime.
2) Phil Jackson's offensive system.
If Kobe wouldn't have averaged 21.5 FG attempts per game (more than any other star in the NBA) and would have let Gasol average more than 13, I think it's fair to say that Gasol would have been even better.
Last edited by DAF86; 08-03-2010 at 08:10 PM.
HH pleasing his new crew and still defending MVPau. Nice.
Horrible topic. Dirk has carried the weight for 10 years as the best player on his team and has done it at an MVP-type level. This is a case of the stats being too advanced. Gasol has been the best player on an 8th-seed that lost in the first round. Dirk was an MVP on a 67-win team and has led his team against the defending Champions on the road against a 60-win team and won. That's no small feat.
We are comparing players here, not teams.
And you cannot do that in a vacuum. He has to perform every night for the Mavericks. Kobe is the player like that on the Lakers. When Pau was that player on the Grizzlies he was inconsistent and didn't win anything. Winning is a part of my evaluation of players. How a player gets stats and when is as important as how productive they are.
Looking at team's accomplishments to compare players is a dumb thing to do, '06 Kobe was better than current Kobe, '06 Kobe lost in the first round current Kobe won it all.
P/S: Gasol has been a lot more consistent than Kobe this season.
What do you mean by "inconsistent"?
These ing hypocrites claim Gasol getting better number as a 2nd option has nothing to do with Kobe Bryant yet insists that Shaq has made the game much easier for Kobe when they played together.
I've never met me a single intelligent Kobe hater. Never.
Those dumbasses should never procreate.
I don't know about others, but I've never said that Shaq made the game easier for Kobe, just that Kobe won his first three rings thanks to Shaq.
Kobe had nothing to do with Gasol's improvement as a player, eh? Pau just "happened" to hit him prime after he got traded to the Lakers and immediately saw improvement to his game every year since.
Does Tim Duncan make the game easier for Parker and Ginobili?
Some times, some other times, Manu and TP make the game easier for TD.
So how come Duncan is the franchise player, not Manu or TP?
Because he's the better player of the three.
Just curious what you think about this...
Corey Maggette:
pts per FG attempt: 1.6
FG%: .516
assts: 2.5
rbds: 5.3
blks: 0.1
MPG: 29.7
Manu Ginobili:
pts per FG attempt: 1.4
FG%: .441
assts: 4.9
rbds: 3.8
blks: 0.3
MPG: 28.7
Obviously, Ginobili plays for a better team than Maggette. But Maggette has Ginobili beat in everything except assists and blocks, but neither do anything substantial with shotblocking.
Is it fair to you to say Corey Maggette is a better player than Manu Ginobili based on the same system you used to compare Dirk and Pau?
BTW, I've never seen someone use "points per FG attempt" as a stat to compare players in an attempt to skew the fact that the player they were trying to discredit was obviously a much, much better scorer. Think the NBA and ESPN are ready to do away with "PPG" in favor of "points per field goal attempt?"
Smh.
Yet Parker and Ginobili had made the game easier for Tim at times?
Shouldn't they share the franchise players le together?
No, let me take it a step further. How does Tim Duncan with his low assists numbers make the game easier for Parker and Ginobili?
I mean getting 6 points and 8 rebounds and 29 and 16 the next. Now he may have 17.5 ppg and 12.0 rpg average for the series, but did he show up in that first game or did he let the second carry his average. Look at this year's postseason by series. I've had this conversation about Tayshaun Prince. He had a matchup against the Jazz and proceded to beat them down for it. The next two series--against Amar'e and KG--not anywhere near as productive.
He was there for games one and two of the Finals and he disappeared in Boston. It almost cost LA the le because he's inconsistent. He can be deadly, but he shifts between gears one and five too quickly. That makes Dirk a better player.
Are you really attempting to make this argument?
Do you think that Pippen and Rodman made the game easier for Jordan at times? I most definitely do - yet I will NEVER try to argue that Pippen or Rodman should be considered the "franchise player" that Jordan was.
You could definitely make a case, although in this case Manu does beat Maggette in a very important category and by a big margin.
??? Points per FG attempt is one of the most important "advanced stats", and do you really think that Dirk is a "much, much better scorer"? Give the two the same amount of shots and I don't think the PPG difference would be significant, in fact is probable that Gasol would average more points than Dirk.BTW, I've never seen someone use "points per FG attempt" as a stat to compare players in an attempt to skew the fact that the player they were trying to discredit was obviously a much, much better scorer. Think the NBA and ESPN are ready to do away with "PPG" in favor of "points per field goal attempt?"
Smh.
How did Pippen and Rodman make the game easier for Jordan?Are you really attempting to make this argument?
Do you think that Pippen and Rodman made the game easier for Jordan at times? I most definitely do - yet I will NEVER try to argue that Pippen or Rodman should be considered the "franchise player" that Jordan was.
After you come up the answer to that question, ask yourself why people like the posters I responded to earlier refuse to use the same logic in the case of Kobe Bryant making the game easier for Gasol.
Yes, it's possible for lesser players to make life easier for the better ones.
I didn't know there was a franchise player le.Shouldn't they share the franchise players le together?
Assists aren't the only way to make life easier for your teammates.No, let me take it a step further. How does Tim Duncan with his low assists numbers make the game easier for Parker and Ginobili?
Kobe does make life easier for Gasol some times, he isn't the reason why Pau is a better player now than earlier in his career though.
Holy . Is DAF really re ed enough to not make this poll public? Got ing damnit,
Unforced error, tbh.
I will work an arrangement with Kori and timvp to tell us if someone from the you know what voted on this poll.
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