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    U.S. Finds Most Oil From Spill Poses Little Additional Risk


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/sc...l.html?_r=1&hp



    WASHINGTON — The government is expected to announce on Wednesday that three-quarters of the oil from the Deepwater Horizon leak has already evaporated, dispersed, been captured or otherwise eliminated — and that much of the rest is so diluted that it does not seem to pose much additional risk of harm.

    A government report finds that about 26 percent of the oil released from BP’s runaway well is still in the water or onshore in a form that could, in principle, cause new problems. But most is light sheen at the ocean surface or in a dispersed form below the surface, and federal scientists believe that it is breaking down rapidly in both places.

    On Tuesday, BP began pumping drilling mud into the well in an attempt to seal it for good. Since the flow of oil was stopped with a cap on July 15, people on the Gulf Coast have been wondering if another shoe was going to drop — a huge underwater glob of oil emerging to damage more shorelines, for instance.

    Assuming that the government’s calculations stand scrutiny, that looks increasingly unlikely. “There’s absolutely no evidence that there’s any significant concentration of oil that’s out there that we haven’t accounted for,” said Jane Lubchenco, head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the lead agency in producing the new report.

    She emphasized, however, that the government remained concerned about the ecological damage that has already occurred and the potential for more, and said it would continue monitoring the gulf.

    “I think we don’t know yet the full impact of this spill on the ecosystem or the people of the gulf,” Dr. Lubchenco said.

    Among the biggest unanswered questions, she said, is how much damage the oil has done to the eggs and larvae of organisms like fish, crabs and shrimp. That may not become clear for a year or longer, as new generations of those creatures come to maturity.

    Thousands of birds and other animals are known to have been damaged or killed by the spill, a relatively modest toll given the scale of some other oil disasters that killed millions of animals. Efforts are still under way in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida to clean up more than 600 miles of oiled shoreline. The government and BP collected 35,818 tons of oily debris from shorelines through Sunday.

    It remains to be seen whether subtle, long-lasting environmental damage from the spill will be found, as has been the case after other large oil spills.

    The report, which is to be unveiled on Wednesday morning, is a result of an extensive effort by federal scientists, with outside help, to add up the total volume of oil released and to figure out where it went.

    The lead agency behind the report, the oceanic and atmospheric administration, played down the size of the spill in the early days, and the Obama administration was ultimately forced to appoint a scientific panel that came up with far higher estimates of the flow rate from the well. Whether the new report will withstand critical scrutiny is uncertain; advocacy groups and most outside scientists had not learned of it on Tuesday.

    The government announced early this week that the total oil release, from the time the Deepwater Horizon exploded on April 20 until the well was effectively capped, was 4.9 million barrels, plus or minus 10 percent. That estimate makes the Deepwater Horizon disaster the largest marine spill in history. It is surpassed on land by a 1910 spill in the California desert.

    As the scientists did their calculations, they were able to rely on direct measurements of the fate of some of the oil that spewed from the broken well. For example, BP and its contractors succeeded in capturing about 17 percent of it with various containment mechanisms, the report says.

    The outcome for much of the oil could not be directly measured, but had to be estimated using protocols that were scrutinized by scientists inside and outside the government, Dr. Lubchenco said.

    The report calculates, for example, that about 25 percent of the chemicals in the oil evaporated at the surface or dissolved into seawater in the same way that sugar dissolves in tea. (The government appears to have settled on a conservative number for that estimate, with the scientific literature saying that as much as 40 percent of the oil from a spill can disappear in this way.)

    The aggressive response mounted by BP and the government — the largest in history, ultimately involving more than 5,000 vessels — also played a role in getting rid of the oil, the report says. Fully 5 percent of the oil was burned at the surface, it estimates, while 3 percent was skimmed and 8 percent was broken up into tiny droplets using chemical dispersants. Another 16 percent dispersed naturally as the oil shot out of the well at high speed.

    All told, the report calculates that about 74 percent of the oil has been effectively dealt with by capture, burning, skimming, evaporation, dissolution or dispersion. Much of the dissolved and dispersed oil can be expected to break down in the environment, though federal scientists are still working to establish the precise rate at which that is happening.

    “I think we are fortunate in this situation that the rates of degradation in the gulf ecosystem are quite high,” Dr. Lubchenco said.

    The remaining 26 percent of the oil “is on or just below the surface as light sheen or weathered tar balls, has washed ashore or been collected from the shore, or is buried in sand and sediments,” the report says.

    Some fishermen in Louisiana are worried about the buried oil, fearing that storms could stir it up and coat vital shrimp or oyster grounds, a possibility the government has not ruled out.

    Testing of fish has shown little cause for worry so far, and fishing grounds in the gulf are being reopened at a brisk clip. At one point the government had closed 36 percent of federal gulf waters to fishing, but that figure is now down to 24 percent and is expected to drop further in coming weeks.

    States are also reopening fishing grounds near their coasts. The big economic question now is whether the American public is ready to buy gulf seafood again.

    The new government report comes as BP engineers began pumping heavy drilling mud into the stricken well on Tuesday, with the hope of achieving a permanent seal or at least revealing critical clues about how to kill the well before the end of the month.

    Through the afternoon, in what is known as a static kill, engineers pumped mud weighing about 13.2 pounds per gallon at slow speeds from a surface vessel through a pipe into the blowout preventer on top of the well. If all goes well, cement may be applied over the next few days. But officials said they could be confident the well was plugged only when one of two relief wells now being drilled was completed, allowing the well to be completely sealed with cement.

    “The static kill will increase the probability that the relief well will work,” Thad W. Allen, the retired Coast Guard admiral who is leading the federal spill response effort, told reporters on Tuesday. “But the whole thing will not be done until the relief well is completed.”

    The static kill operation could last for close to three days. After it is completed, work can resume on the final 100 feet of the first relief well, which officials say should be completed by Aug. 15 unless bad weather intervenes.

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    BP's willful, repeated negligence killed 11, but that's the Repug OSHA-hating, unregualated free market at work. Dead employees are just an externality that BP writes off as a business expense.

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    At long last, this bloodlust for a good and righteous paragon of unfettered capitalism can end!!

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    BP's willful, repeated negligence killed 11, but that's the Repug OSHA-hating, unregualated free market at work. Dead employees are just an externality that BP writes off as a business expense.

    Did you drive anywhere today?

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    Did you drive anywhere today?
    Oh boy here we go..


    WARNING:

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    Oh boy here we go..


    WARNING:

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    Why do you guys so disappointed that this isn't turning into the environmental disaster it was feared?

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    Why do you guys so disappointed that this isn't turning into the environmental disaster it was feared?
    Oh right.. this charge comes from the "we're hoping this is Obama's Katrina" crowd ..

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    Oh boy here we go..


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    I think what this whole "episode" proves is that any regulation of off-shore drilling is entirely unnecessary. Any environmental problems will only take us a couple of months to deal with and can ultimately be solved by Mother Nature.

    Any impact on the entrepreneurs who depend upon those waters simply hastens the consolidation of their work in larger en ies that can perform those tasks far more efficiently.

    It's the circle of Free Marketism!

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    I think what this whole "episode" proves is that any regulation of off-shore drilling is entirely unnecessary. Any environmental problems will only take us a couple of months to deal with and can ultimately be solved by Mother Nature.

    Any impact on the entrepreneurs who depend upon those waters simply hastens the consolidation of their work in larger en ies that can perform those tasks far more efficiently.

    It's the circle of Free Marketism!
    Well surely you're disapointed that there wasn't an ecological disaster.

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    Oh right.. this charge comes from the "we're hoping this is Obama's Katrina" crowd ..
    like this guy?



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    This disaster isn't over, yet.

    Stick around, the is still hitting the fan.

    And BP will screw over Gulf residents and businesses and fight compensation just like Exxon did successfully, and like Chevron is doing in Ecudor/Amazon, probably successfully.

    Just because one drives a carbon-fuelled car doesn't mean one accepts and cheers the oil/gas companies corporate/environmental crimes.
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    I think what this whole "episode" proves is that any regulation of off-shore drilling is entirely unnecessary.

    Wow. As if anyone is arguing this.

    P.S. It is regulated

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    There are regulations, but they aren't enforced.

    btw, the Senate just failed to pass the Oil Spill bill. ing Senate, what a bunch of disgraceful assholes. They know the dumb Americans will forget all about the BP spill in about 15 minutes, so there's no chance of the Dems bringing up this bill again.

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    P.S. It is regulated
    You mean regulated by the Minerals Management Service in which several of the officials “frequently consumed alcohol at industry functions, had used cocaine and marijuana, and had sexual relationships with oil and gas company representatives.” just two years ago?

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    The White House wants this thing gone yesterday, so naturally this will be trumpted across the land. The media and most of the population will accept that and forget about it. Many supporters of the administration will also downplay the issue as it is seen as a big negative for the heroic great leader. Whatever political impetus there is to actually have BP held to account will fade away, except on the Gulf Coast.

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    I heard a report this morning that the 25% that remains is still 500% of the amount of oil spilled in Valdez, Alaska some 20 years ago.

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    and now, because they are in the red due to the expenses of the cleanup they can get a tax write off to the tune of almost 10 billion.

    and how darrin decides to leave out the human variable as part of the environment is beyond me. but the fact is that hundreds of thousands of peoples' lives were put in jeopardy as a result of the spill.

    also, be very leery of any EPA studies on the toxicity of dispersants. how any conclusions can even be extrapolated on such a limited body of short term effect studies is beyond me. and , what leads the author of the article to assert that oil evaporated? 75 %of it? where did we get this value from? is it possible that there is more oil at the bottom of the gulf or even that a greater amount was consumed by microbes (which would then have an impact on oxygen levels) ?

    what is odd to me is that darrin knocks the overzealousness of science on one side while he embraces that very same trait when it is on the other side.
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    and now, because they are in red due to the expenses of the cleanup they can get claim a tax write off to the tune of almost 10 billion.

    and how darrin decides to leave out the human variable as part of the environment is beyond me. but the fact is that hundreds of thousands of peoples' lives were put in jeopardy as a result of the spill.

    also, be very leery of any EPA studies on the toxicity of dispersants. how any conclusions can even be extrapolated on such a limited body of short term effect studies is beyond me. and , what leads the author of the article to assert that oil evaporated? 75 %of it? where did we get this value from? is it possible that there is more oil at the bottom of the gulf or even that a greater amount was consumed by microbes (which would then have an impact on oxygen levels) ?

    what is odd to me is that darrin knocks the overzealousness of science on one side while he embraces that very same trait when it is on the other side.
    On the Money.

    Darrin is a fraud, btw

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    I heard a report this morning that the 25% that remains is still 500% of the amount of oil spilled in Valdez, Alaska some 20 years ago.

    I heard a report that apples differ from oranges.

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    How there is actual sympathy for BP, as if it is anything other than a legal construct, is incredible. Naturally this fake sympathy is an outgrowth of the mindnumbing partisan circlejerk that is American politics. Opponents of the current administration reflexively take the side of any one and any thing that is seen as opposing the administration, including a company well known to operate haphazardly and with less regard for safety than other majors.

    When you define your political views by opposition to everything the other side does, you end up standing for nothing and making yourself look like an idiot.

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    How there is actual sympathy for BP, as if it is anything other than a legal construct, is incredible. Naturally this fake sympathy is an outgrowth of the mindnumbing partisan circlejerk that is American politics. Opponents of the current administration reflexively take the side of any one and any thing that is seen as opposing the administration, including a company well known to operate haphazardly and with less regard for safety than other majors.

    When you define your political views by opposition to everything the other side does, you end up standing for nothing and making yourself look like an idiot.


    Actually, I predicted that this spill wouldn't be that bad and it turns out I'm right. Just a little gloating.

    BP needs to be held liable for all damages.

    I haven't defended BP.

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    The magnitude of the remaining oil does not make this worse any less.

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    The magnitude of the remaining oil does not make this worse any less.

    I'm sure the lawyers were hoping for worse.

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    Ah, yes, the litigators who must be reflexively opposed because they are seen as generally a Democratic cons uency.

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    Ah, yes, the litigators who must be reflexively opposed because they are seen as generally a Democratic cons uency.


    I think America could use fewer attorneys (regardless of policital affiliation).

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