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I'm using this topic to calibrate my "Don't Give a -O-Meter".
Done.
For the unaware:
Crucial landmarks panel vote clears the way for Ground Zero mosque
Mayor Bloomberg Stands Up For Mosque
Here's some criticism with a few more quotes:
Don't play the bigotry card, Mike!
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What are your thoughts on this?
I'm using this topic to calibrate my "Don't Give a -O-Meter".
Done.
The argument from many of the Mosque opponents is primarily based on respect for the families of 9/11 victims. My view is pretty simple. If they can legally build there then you should let them.
On side note there are 9/11 victim's families who support the Mosque being built there..
Exactly. It nets to 0.
This news is somewhat local to me, so you hear a lot about it here.
I just wanted to hear what other people here thought.
I personally align myself in the WGAF category.
WGAF Krew Representin'
I'm usually in the NYC area 15-20 times a year. I'll be up there again in Sept. I'll pay more attention to the local vibe on this. It really just hasn't pinged my sensorium yet.
It seems like the Muslims could have picked a better, less controversial place, maybe where there are more Muslims (is this primarily a showcase mosque? or a everyday-worshipper mosque?).
otoh, I love see the "Christian" racists, nativists, xenophobes, NRA-gunnuts/militia types stirred up and exposed for what they really are.
Opponents of this will always express their concern "on behalf" of the 9/11 victims' families, because those opponents need the context of a monumental historical tragedy to shadow their own prejudice.
@ boutons...I think it's proposed as an "everyday" mosque...community functional.
Mayor Bloomberg sums it up beautifully. "We would betray our values and play into our enemies' hands if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else..."
Hard to argue with that.
I don't really care one way or the other. Whatever the locals decide is fine by me.
A bull emotional issue that Americans are adept at creating which will be forgotten tomorrow. Unless this mosque is connected directly to al Qaida I don't see an issue (and don't tell me they're connected since they're all dirty Moslems or what not).
This whole damn thing honestly makes me ask: Why?
I really believe someone is trying to with someone else here. Someone somewhere is (1) trying to rub something in someone else's face, or (2) maybe it's simply a forced PC thing...for the personal growth of rednecks everywhere.
But bottom line: I just dont think this whole thing occurred by happenstance. This has a very orchestrated feel, but I can't put my finger on the "why?" or "by who" just yet...
Bloomberg is also pro-illegal-immigrant, because, paraphrased quote, "We need them to maintain our golf courses"
That grass don't cut itself, Pancho!Bloomberg is also pro-illegal-immigrant, because, paraphrased quote, "We need them to maintain our golf courses"
Technically I have read that it is not even a mosque but a Community Center. It will have a small prayer room similar to that of the chapel of a hospital or something like that.
Actually the building that they are going to demolish to erect this Center has been used for years as a prayer meeting place without incident. It is also several blocks away from ground zero (yes that is new york city blocks, not san antonio blocks). They bought the land which was vacant several years ago, and now want to improve it. Go ahead.
So a nothing issue to distract the people while the country goes bankrupt.
exactly. sounds like they bought it, they own it, they submitted a proposal for the new building, and the proposal was granted. the only debate is whether it's in poor taste to go ahead with the construction. poor taste or not, it's a done deal.
A 13-story mega-mosque 600 feet from the WTC, built by an imam who advocates for replacing our Cons ution with sharia law?
Why would that be offensive?
so go be offended. scream till your lose your voice for all I care.
Some people are trying to spin this as a backhanded slap - the name of the mosque "Cordoba", they claim, is a location of one of the greatest Islamic victories of all time; however true that may be, Cordoba was also the capital of Islamic Spain in the 9th and 10th centuries; one of the most open-minded and intermingled societies where Muslims, Jews and Christians mixed, mingled and advanced together. It, of course, didn't last; but for pre-reformation is mas nigh Utopian. (Doing this from memory of a PBS show I saw about this - some facts could be off).
Also, they are opening it on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 - again, some people take the name and ribbon cutting as dancing on the graves of 9/11 victims. To me, it's a non-issue; if they can put this up legally - they get to do it; we should celebrate the freedom they have to do so.
If proposing cons utional changes makes one offensive the GOP congressional leadership needs to be outlawed as well.
Not to mention that if attempting to re-write the cons ution to suit religious preferences is offensive there are plenty of social cons who need to have their religious liberty curtailed.
Why do we bend over backwards in our tolerance of Muslims when they obviously don't recipricate?
Does anyone know what the original name of "Operation Enduring Freedom" was and why it was changed?
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