Overrated bands

[CuckingFunt]

I agree. I have alot of friends my age that love this band. They were campy at first but now they're apart of the machine. They've sold their souls. I also think being played as the last song on seinfeld's finale didn't help their much needed trail off into the sunset move. Oh well, they're living the dream and I'll give them that much.

"Good Riddance" ruined Green Day forever. One of the most cloying, annoying songs in recent memory.

"Dookie" is a solid album and one that I still listen to often, but I hate, HATE, everything they've done since "Good Riddance" turned into such a big hit. That album (except for "Hitchin' a Ride," which I think is a great song) is generally pretty ty and stood out to me as a turning point for the band. I never would have thought they would get consistently more and more popular as their music got worse and worse.

Red Hot Chili Peppers is in a similar situation for me. I don't think their early stuff is at all overrated. Or underrated, really. They were a fun funk band, and "Blood Sugar Sex Magic" is a legitimately good album. But I really don't like anything they released after "Californication" (which itself is far below their best stuff), yet that's exactly when they got mega popular and became known outside of the alternative genre.

[Drachen]

exactly....
the dookie album is still ok to hear....
but as someone else mentioned, post seinfeld last show....they havent put out anything decent

I like Boulevard of Broken dreams, and I think American Idiot is just kinda getting back to their roots. I will admit that I haven't listened to anything other than what was on the radio from them for a while, but I do still listen to them.

[Muser]

True about Green Day, tbh Hitchin' a Ride is probably my favorite song of theirs. Nimrod in general did suck though..Then came Warning which really showed they were moving towards the eyeliner and ty music. The less said about after Warning the better.

[DisAsTerBot]

Nirvana did not change anything. THe seattle music scene was already established and record executives went there to look for a marketable band and found Nirvana. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam were already well established there and doing their own thing, plus they are and were the better of the seattle bands.

But that's not to say that Nirvana wasn't talented, they were talented in a different way in that if you were to listen to In Utero, you can hear Kurt Cobain painting with dissonance and emotional inflection whith the depravity of his soul. It actually showed him to be an awful human being, but that is art by any definition because it depicted his values and his virtues for good or bad.

What u heard in "IN UTERO" was a man that had ceased to exist before his fatal suicide. You heard a man that was depraved morally and was a slave to his whims and uncertain emotional balance. You also heard his misplaced anger and frustration.

You don't get to hear that with Muse or any other bands, what you hear is pretension and a strive to find a niche, even though muse is way more talented than the core of Nirvana. Although if you listened to Dave Grohl's foo Fighters, that's a pedgogical excorcise in how to drive a rock band. Dave Grohl was a rock genius and a musical genius, but mainly more rock.

Now, Nickelback sucks because they're art is not art if you can call it. It's superficial, they know it, and they're just happy making records and having a good time, you could say that about alot of 70's rock, and that in essence is also rock n roll. I don't hate Nickelback but i can understand some of the hate for them, it's because they've garnered a bunch of unwarranted success.

good post

[DisAsTerBot]

I think American Idiot is just kinda getting back to their roots.

that was a huge problem for me.....mainly because their roots are so basic, it sounds like they're not even trying. 4 power chords, a slogan, done. As aging musicians you'd like to see more effort than basically appeasing the masses...

[Muser]

American Idiot sounds nothing like their roots, nothing.

[CuckingFunt]

American Idiot sounds nothing like their roots, nothing.

This.

That album is painfully pretentious. Painfully. And this is coming from someone with a pretty high tolerance for pretension.

[Drachen]

that was a huge problem for me.....mainly because their roots are so basic, it sounds like they're not even trying. 4 power chords, a slogan, done. As aging musicians you'd like to see more effort than basically appeasing the masses...

Fair enough, but almost all (long lasting) bands have a period when they go back to their roots. Unfortunately for GD, their roots lie in Punk which in and of itself is pretty simplistic from a musical standpoint. Its more about the message.

Side Rant: I can't stand punk culture, its stupid and paradoxical. They want to spread the message of anarchy or general raging against the system . They want this message to be spread to everyone so that their ideals can be implemented. However if one of their own does any kind of a good job spreading their ideals, then they have sold out and are no longer true to whatever fraternity they believe they have.

Side Side rant: Some of them don't even know what anarchy means. I asked a few (just out of curiosity) if they could explain why they thought that Anarchy would be a good form of "government." Then they went on to explain communism. When I told them this, they denied it vehemently. When I brought out proof, then told them what anarchy is, they just stared blankly at each other. I understand that kids are stupid, but if you are going to break my because you think that this exemplifies something, at least know what that something is that you are trying to exemplify.

/side side rant
/side rant

[Drachen]

American Idiot sounds nothing like their roots, nothing.

When I say roots, I am talking simple music/simple political message.

[leemajors]

Fair enough, but almost all (long lasting) bands have a period when they go back to their roots. Unfortunately for GD, their roots lie in Punk which in and of itself is pretty simplistic from a musical standpoint. Its more about the message.

Side Rant: I can't stand punk culture, its stupid and paradoxical. They want to spread the message of anarchy or general raging against the system . They want this message to be spread to everyone so that their ideals can be implemented. However if one of their own does any kind of a good job spreading their ideals, then they have sold out and are no longer true to whatever fraternity they believe they have.

Side Side rant: Some of them don't even know what anarchy means. I asked a few (just out of curiosity) if they could explain why they thought that Anarchy would be a good form of "government." Then they went on to explain communism. When I told them this, they denied it vehemently. When I brought out proof, then told them what anarchy is, they just stared blankly at each other. I understand that kids are stupid, but if you are going to break my because you think that this exemplifies something, at least know what that something is that you are trying to exemplify.

/side side rant
/side rant

It's a derivative of avant garde culture. Unlike the rest of avant garde (generally speaking) including jazz, visual art, written art (by this I mean Brecht, Lautreamount and the like) they neglected to learn fully what they were breaking, recreating, and rebelling against. They just took the anarchy thing and ran with it. Chaos for chaos' sake instead of chaos as continual creation. Highly generalized of course.

[Drachen]

Seems to me that death metal would be a more appropriate medium for that thought process, but since I am not an expert on death metal, I may be insulting death metal.


Thanks for the history lesson though, I found that interesting.

[TE]

Disturbed, this band takes the ing cake with the overrated tab.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm gonna get killed for this.

Iron Maiden

Gotta disagree with you there.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Gotta disagree with you there.

+ a number too big to display.

They also have the Jeff Porcaro of metal playing for them. A big influence on my playing.

[Venti Quattro]

Green Day

[badfish22]

Bob Marley, Tool (by some people), 2pac

[Venti Quattro]

Tool? I think they're vastly underrated.

APC is overrated though.

[chreph]

Tool (by some people)

Agreed. They could do just about anything and the "Maynard is God" following will find a way to justify it as an act of genius.

[redzero]

Can - WTF is this ? Seriously?
Arcade Fire
My Chemical Romance - Why do people even like them?

[badfish22]

My Chemical Romance. I haven't heard that name in a couple years.

[IronMaxipad]

Green Day
Sum 41
SOAD
BLink 182
Coldplay
MCR
Fallout Boy
Radiohead (overrated by that )
Foo Fighters
QOTSA
Slipknot
Maroon 5

etc. etc..

[Kamala]

Bon Jovi

[The Reckoning]

U2

hate those ers

and bruce springsteen

...

[leemajors]

Can - WTF is this ? Seriously?
Arcade Fire
My Chemical Romance - Why do people even like them?

Can is underappreciated, not overrated. Tago mago, Ege bamyasi, and Future Days are all classic albums. I don't particularly care for their stuff after Suzuki left, but a lot of bands owe a lot to Can, namely Radiohead. You can not like krautrock, but there is no denying its influence.

[Blackjack]

Honestly, I gave up on the music scene almost, well actually, a decade ago. I'm happy when I can turn on a radio and find something I can tolerate.

So, I honestly couldn't tell you who is overrated. But just from my own personal tastes, I've never understood how passionate the followings were for Radiohead, Green Day and Smashing Pumpkins.

Radiohead I can stand and respect them for what they are (for the most part); Pumpkins I think has some talent, I just can't stand them; and I'll never understand Green Day -- had they just had a handful of catchy songs that gained them notoriety for a period of time, I could understand that. But they've become rock and roll royalty to some and that I'll never comprehend.

I'm sure I could get on my soapbox and come up with more but those three have gotten a lot of mention so they're at my mind's forefront.