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try the new testament.
So many who claim religious reasons for their positions on these issues seem to ignore the incest and polygamy of the very book upon which they claim to base their values.
Gen 20:12 Besides, she is in truth my sister, but only my father's daughter, not my mother's; and so she became my wife.
try the new testament.
You do realize that the verse people most often use against sexuality is from Leviticus.
2 Peter 2:7
"...He rescued Lot, a righteous man oppressed by the licentious conduct of unprincipled people "
The NT calls Lot a righteous man and he slept with his daughters.
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If they find it, it won't be any more "curable" than eye color or height or being straight.
you mean the friendly version that ignores the original prick?
how did you get that quote?
Um, this isn't what was being asked about.
You said sexuality is exclusively a choice.
I said prove it.
You changed the subject.
Is the Old Testament not the word of God?
Did you decide this?
How does the gay community and movement feel about Obama? Do they know the truth about where he stands on gay marriage? The man has publicly stated that does not support gay marriage and believes that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. That being said, why did gay people vote for Obama?
Ask them. I imagine feelings are mixed.In that case I would say the answer to your question on whether they know is "yes."Do they know the truth about where he stands on gay marriage? The man has publicly stated that does not support gay marriage and believes that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman.I would guess it was a lesser of evils thing. At best, they would be looking at nationally recognized civil unions with Obama, and perhaps a repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell.That being said, why did gay people vote for Obama?
So when do we legalize incest and polygamy?
Consenting adults. Why can't they be married too?
That's not a legitimate counter to that argument.
Racism and sexual orientation have nothing to do with each other.
If gots wanted to marry a woman, they could.
If blacks wanted to be white, they can't.
Enough with the logical fallacy. gots and got supporters love to invoke the black civil rights issues, when it's completely stupid to do so.
"incest and polygamy"
"Enough with the logical fallacy"
... proves yet again how ignorant, stupid, and prejudiced HM is.
Why not trot the other Repug/"Christian" "logical fallacies" of sames-sex marriage leading to the destruction of hetero marriages and bestiality? Gotta be logical. GFY
You're REALLY, REALLY late to the party, and it's obvious you haven't read the thread, so I'll synopsize it for you. We've (your opposition) decided that it doesn't matter if the behavior is voluntary or not. LGBT people are being treated as a class of people, and denied rights in the same way, specifically, the right to marry the adult human consenting individual of their choice. If you want to get involved in the incest/polygamy discussion, you'll have to bring yourself up to speed.
Why are you so angry about this, MH? Does it personally affect you if some man marries a man in California?
i don't think anyone knows obama's stand.
ANyways. You are taking this out of context
False Prophets and Teachers
2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into [1] and committed them to chains [2] of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; [3] 7 and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked 8 (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, [4] and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.
Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, 11 whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. 12 But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, 13 suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, [5] while they feast with you. 14 They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! 15 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, 16 but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.
17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. 18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves [6] of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
American govt is intentionally not a Christian or any brand of theocracy, so legally imposing "Christian" morals and cosmology from ancient fairy tales of uncertain and at best questionable origin is just bull . America is full of bull .
Man Boutons, your takes on everything are so original and fresh.
nothing fresh about the same old bull from the "Christians" and their pandering, hypocritical Repugs.
They'd vote for Obama because he's obviously the best option. Obama has pretty much tried to have his cake and eat it too in regareds to gay issues and its a crock of compared to what most of the gay community expected.
I'd say a large percentage of them are disappointed with his public statements on the issue.
But as I said before, the options were worse. McCain and Palin on gay rights? Just LOL.
Whenever someone brings a court case along these same grounds, I would imagine. Are you scared?
Completely stupid yet the court just applied the 14th amendment to the situation as I've been saying for years it was going to. Completely stupid yet in many other aspects of our society discrimination based upon sexual orientation is completely forbidden due to legislation.
Completely stupid? Your ignorance on how federal law views sexual orientation much in the same manner as it views race is definitely completely stupid.
I think viewing sexual orientation in the same manner as it views race is defenitely completely stupid.
the court didn't apply it, this judge did. we will see if it is upheld.
Oh, so you think it should be ok to fire people based on them being gay?
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