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    apparently, obama and liberal activist judges won't be happy until everybody is gay

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    Can blacks choose to be white?
    No.

    Can gots choose to love a woman?
    No.

    Can you choose to start liking men MH?

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    No, they should not have the right to do them.

    It incites violence and instability within the population.
    Ah, so you're just a pussy. Freedom involves some people saying some scary words sometimes. But I guess as long as you feel safe, you don't care what freedoms we don't have.

    Protesting peacefully, holding rallys for productive, positive efforts should be completely supported and protected.

    Holding rallys out of hatred for another citizen, no matter the reason, incites violence and should not be allowed.
    So you disagree with the First Amendment then? Not sure if you're aware, but alot of Founding Fathers said alot of disagreeable things.

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    Can you choose to start liking men MH?
    What does the word choose mean?

    choose/CHo͞oz/Verb
    1. Pick out or select (someone or something) as being the best or most appropriate of two or more alternatives: "he chose a seat facing the door"; "many versions to choose from".
    2. Decide on a course of action, typically after rejecting alternatives


    That should answer your question.

    Anyone can choose anything. I can choose to goats. Doesn't mean I should.

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    What does the word choose mean?

    choose/CHo͞oz/Verb
    1. Pick out or select (someone or something) as being the best or most appropriate of two or more alternatives: "he chose a seat facing the door"; "many versions to choose from".
    2. Decide on a course of action, typically after rejecting alternatives


    That should answer your question.

    Anyone can choose anything. I can choose to goats. Doesn't mean I should.
    So MiamiHeat is a possible sexual and cannot be trusted.

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    Not necessarily. They don't HAVE to be.
    right. because it's an act and nothing more.

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    Are you not free to regard the first definition as the one and true definition if you so desire?
    I would like to think so but doubt that would be the case.

    Example:

    I pay 100% of employee and family health insurance. I don't want them worrying about affording healthcare for their wife/kids or choosing to go without.

    At the same time, I would not want to recognize a gay partner as a legitimate spouse and pay for his health care coverage.

    It's my ing money and I don't want to spend it that way.

    The way this is going, I would be forced into the moral choice of either being forced to pay for the gay spouses health care or deciding not to pay for ANY spouses. I couldn't choose to do one and not the other but I could legally choose not to do either.

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    What does the word choose mean?

    choose/CHo͞oz/Verb
    1. Pick out or select (someone or something) as being the best or most appropriate of two or more alternatives: "he chose a seat facing the door"; "many versions to choose from".
    2. Decide on a course of action, typically after rejecting alternatives

    That should answer your question.

    Anyone can choose anything. I can choose to goats. Doesn't mean I should.
    So you can choose to start liking men, if you wish? Try to then, I dare ya. Try to go a week finding men sexually attractive.

    You don't have to act on it. Just start liking them, and tell us how it worked for you.

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    Ah, so you're just a pussy. Freedom involves some people saying some scary words sometimes. But I guess as long as you feel safe, you don't care what freedoms we don't have.
    Calling me a pussy. Ha. Far from it.

    You don't understand what I said, maybe I should write it better.

    Holding rallys for the hatred of a person based solely on something they cannot change, is wrong. It serves no purpose. An artificial superiority complex, and it's something that can never achieve balance or equilibrium because blacks can't magically turn white. It never ends.

    Holding a rally to on a politician for his beliefs or actions, is completely fine with me.

    Can you tell the difference?
    So you disagree with the First Amendment then? Not sure if you're aware, but alot of Founding Fathers said alot of disagreeable things.
    Yeah, you clearly didn't get what I meant.

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    I would like to think so but doubt that would be the case.

    Example:

    I pay 100% of employee and family health insurance. I don't want them worrying about affording healthcare for their wife/kids or choosing to go without.

    At the same time, I would not want to recognize a gay partner as a legitimate spouse and pay for their health care coverage.

    It's my ing money and I don't want to spend it that way.

    The way this is going, I would be forced into the moral choice of either being forced to pay for the gay spouses health care or deciding not to pay for ANY spouses. I couldn't choose to do one and not the other but I could legally choose not to do either.
    so, you don't respect that employee like you would the others.

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    What if you knew one of your married male employees was ing every lady in his neighborhood, or your right-hand man and his wife were polyamorous or very busy swingers.

    Would your Holy Roller morals make you fire them, or quit paying their health insurance?

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    It's my ing money and I don't want to spend it that way.

    The way this is going, I would be forced into the moral choice of either being forced to pay for the gay spouses health care or deciding not to pay for ANY spouses. I couldn't choose to do one and not the other but I could legally choose not to do either.
    Do pacifists get to choose not to pay taxes for the Defense Department?

    There's alot of things that people pay for that they don't agree to.

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    So MiamiHeat is a possible sexual and cannot be trusted.
    Anyone is a possible anything. You are a possible terrorist who secretly posts on Al-Qaeda websites.

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    Calling me a pussy. Ha. Far from it.

    You don't understand what I said, maybe I should write it better.

    Holding rallys for the hatred of a person based solely on something they cannot change, is wrong. It serves no purpose. An artificial superiority complex, and it's something that can never achieve balance or equilibrium because blacks can't magically turn white. It never ends.
    The KKK regularly rally against Jews too. Since a person's religion can be changed, you approve of such rallies.

    Yeah, you clearly didn't get what I meant.
    He pretty much nailed it. You want to be the arbiter of free speech rights in the US.

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    so, you don't respect that employee like you would the others.
    You act like that's new.

    Ever had a co-worker or employee who you didn't like?

    Heck, you don't like me. Let's say I was your employee. Hi. You wouldn't respect like you would the others.

    Pot meet kettle.

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    Do pacifists get to choose not to pay taxes for the Defense Department?

    There's alot of things that people pay for that they don't agree to.
    I'm not talking about what the government does with my tax money. I'm talking about the government mandating what I do with MY money.

    Understand...I don't have to pay for ANYONES insurance if I don't want to.

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    Anyone is a possible anything. You are a possible terrorist who secretly posts on Al-Qaeda websites.
    OK, potential sexual.

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    Holding rallys for the hatred of a person based solely on something they cannot change, is wrong. It serves no purpose. An artificial superiority complex, and it's something that can never achieve balance or equilibrium because blacks can't magically turn white. It never ends.
    I agree that it's wrong to support such a cause. However, I believe they have the RIGHT to say what they wish. That's an American ideal. Why?

    Let's say a member of the KKK comes to power somehow. Would you want him to detail what you could and coulnd't say? Of course not.

    Besides, letting people say stupid things is a good way to find who the stupid people are.

    As I've been saying, surely you can see the difference between supporting the actions of a person, and supporting their right to do.

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    I'm not talking about what the government does with my tax money. I'm talking about the government mandating what I do with MY money.

    Understand...I don't have to pay for ANYONES insurance if I don't want to.
    Ok, I get where you're coming from now, but I still don't see a big distinction. After all, tax money is technically "your" money too, isn't it?

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    The KKK regularly rally against Jews too.
    but they were big on the whole racism against blacks thing, right? I was referring to that.

    Can't you try harder, ChumpDumper? That was weak on the logic front. Very weak.

    He pretty much nailed it. You want to be the arbiter of free speech rights in the US.
    Say whatever you want about others on the grounds of their actions, their words, their beliefs, their ideals, their character, whatever.

    Inciting hatred over something that is impossible to change or improve, such as color of skin, your height, your facial features, color of your hair, or your mental illness, should be disallowed.

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    You act like that's new.

    Ever had a co-worker or employee who you didn't like?

    Heck, you don't like me. Let's say I was your employee. Hi. You wouldn't respect like you would the others.

    Pot meet kettle.
    you're all over the place. did you forget what i asked CC?

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    but they were big on the whole racism against blacks thing, right? I was referring to that.
    But they are also big on the whole antisemitic thing too. I was referring to that.

    Can't you try harder, ChumpDumper? That was weak on the logic front. Very weak.
    It's your logic -- why don't you own it?

    Since a person's religion can be changed, you approve of KKK rallies against Jews.

    Yes or no?

    Say whatever you want about others on the grounds of their actions, their words, their beliefs, their ideals, their character, whatever.

    Inciting hatred over something that is impossible to change or improve, such as color of skin, your height, your facial features, color of your hair, or your mental illness, should be disallowed.
    But religion is ok.

    You want to be the arbiter of free speech in the US. You just posted your manifesto.

    And since you consider sexuality a mental illness, you just committed a hate crime in this thread according to your criteria.

    Good job

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    You see, its OK if we force gay business owners to pay for hetero spouses but god forbid CC be told to pay for spouses.

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    Oh and LOL @ MH accusing anyone else of weak logic.

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    Do pacifists get to choose not to pay taxes for the Defense Department?

    There's alot of things that people pay for that they don't agree to.
    thats different since everyone benefits from that. There is no free lunch here. A better example, if using the govt., would be paying school taxes if you don't have children who go to school.

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