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92-93 Barkley-led Suns team says "Hi!"
Might translate to a nice team to run with in NBA 2k
92-93 Barkley-led Suns team says "Hi!"
92-93 Barkley-led Suns team says "Hi!"
2004-05: 62-20 (Lost 4-1 to the San Antonio Spurs in the Western Conference Finals).
2005-06: 54-28 (Lost 4-2 to the Dallas Mavericks in the Western Conference Finals).
2006-07: 61-21 (Lost 4-2 to the San Antonio Spurs in the Western Conference Semifinals).
2007-08: 55-27 (Lost 4-1 to the San Antonio Spurs in the Western Conference Quarterfinals).
2008-09: 46-36 (Failed to make the Playoffs).
2009-10: 54-28 (Lost 4-2 to the Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference Finals).
Total: 332-160 (.675, or 55.3 wins per season), No NBA Finals Appearances.
Not only did they lose to all the teams listed in the MiamiHeat post, but they lost to them in years they won the NBA Championship (2004-05, 2006-07, and 2009-10). They never beat the San Antonio Spurs in a postseason series.
Last edited by Darrin; 08-06-2010 at 10:01 PM.
Beat 'em this year. Not that it matters.
Sorry. I was wrong.
Though The Skunker was a nice touch.
tee, hee.
Felt damn good, at the time, and I honestly believed that the performance would give them the confidence to beat the Lakers. I had said entering the playoffs that Phoenix's only shot at the Finals was to beat San Antonio, exorcise the demons, and lay waste to the rest of their following compe ion. Only, then they got their pants beat in Game 1 vs. LA, and whatever confidence gained was lost until the fourth quarter of Game 2. You spot LA two wins, and you've handed them the series.
Since hence, the series win vs. SA doesn't really matter. It's not college. Final 4 is nothing of note.
Is Childress coming back to the NBA next season?
Yeah... signed a full MLE-type contract with Atlanta then traded to Phoenix in sign-n-trade for a future 2nd.
oh snap! That Suns teams looks like a non-playoff contender.
The Suns are done. Sarver officially blew it up
They'll make the playoffs. They have twice as many shooters as any other team in the League, and enough 2/3/4 versatility to always be able to play the hot hands that they'll be in most every game. They'll gimmick up their defense enough because of their depth/length enough to be in most every game.
There's like four teams in the NBA with the size to really exploit the Suns weaknesses and have enough offense to blow them out every game. The rest of the league is a close range of mediocre to above average, which means the Suns should net 45-to-50 wins. I think they could finish as high as fifth overall in the west, but figure on them finishing 6th/7th.
They have so much depth, minutes will be kept down. Only position without depth is C, which will hurt of Lopez misses extended time, but the rest of the team has an above average backup, if not multiple.
In 2005-06 Nash led the Suns to the Conference Finals with a frontcourt of 6-7/220 Marion, 6-8/225 Jones, 6-8/230 Thomas and 6-9/225 Diaw. Small, undersized, mostly perimeter oriented, no box-out rebounders. This team has better depth, and many more players that rebound better than their position's average. Plus, with the depth, they can be more aggressive when out of position to contend for long rebounds.
But, beyond, yes, Sarver has killed the Suns with these moves and the fork is firmly stuck in the franchise. They aren't yet well done, but they are all but finished.
Playoff bound for sure and they will get past the first round. Beyond that will be a blessing.
Sorta around, the miami thing has turned me a bit off on the Nba...
Why is everyone so certain they will make the postseason this year? They lost Amar'e Stoudemire. They have no one to replace him unless you count Robin Lopez as a 20-10-2 player, and I don't. Nash isn't going to stay healthy the whole season. Josh Childress is a bit uproven at this point since he has been overseas.
Dallas, Houston (Yao back), Memphis (40-42 last season, still have same core), New Orleans (Chris Paul healthy, Darren Collison a year older), San Antonio, Denver, Portland, Oklahoma City, Utah, Sacramento (Demarcus Cousins, Samuel Dalembert, and Tyreke Evans a year older), the Clippers (Blake Griffin), and the Lakers are all still there in the West. Phoenix isn't hands-down better than any of those teams. It's up for debate whether they can make it.
That's defeatist sour grapes, Paul.
The Heat worked within' the rule book. The NBA is not a co-op. It's not ruled by a Socialist like Hussein Obama, praise Allah. It's run by a capitalist named David Stern, Matzel, Matzel.
Tucking that tail and running eh? Sounds like a Suns fan to me.
Or someone who realizes there's more to life than NBA basketball. LOLTucking that tail and running eh? Sounds like a Suns fan to me.
So root for your team when they're good and bail on them when they suck donkey balls. Gotcha.
Convenient how you were happy to watch the NBA at its weakest (Nash/Dirk winning MVPs confirms this) point since the Jordan expansion era. Yet now when the NBA is basically at its peak compe ively you vanish faster than Phoenix Suns' championship hopes.
Interesting.
Don't be so naive... Nash isn't going to stay healthy, but Yao and Paul are? Randolph, notorious for getting into trouble, is going to stay out of trouble yet again?
I already explained why they are making the playoffs. They have great depth 2-3-4, have more shooters coming off their bench than most have on their team, while they don't have any dominant rebounder, players like Hill, Richardson, Childress rebound very well for SGs/SFs, and they'll be running a swarming zone most of the time, focring teams to beat them with the three, thus causing longer rebounds to negate their size. If the rebounds bounce long like most perimeter shots do, then the size/positioning isn't as big a deal vs. most teams.
Yeah, it sucks to lose Amare. He was a beast in the paint. But I showed how a perimeter-oriented frontcourt was utilized in this system and by Nash to win 50+ games and advance in the playoffs.
I don't think they are anywhere near as good, but The only teams I see as definitively better than last season is San Antonio, Portland and Oklahoma City. Denver has size issues, coaching issues, immaturity issues and Billups is another year older. Utah lost depth and downgraded with their replacements, losing Matthews/Korver/Brewer/Boozer for Bell/Jefferson. The latter each coming off injuries/surgeries that diminished their effectiveness. Dallas added Chandler, a player who won't see much PT so long as Haywood is healthy, to a team that crapped out in the 1st round. Memphis is a team begging to implode, with too many ballhogs/hotheads. Houston has talent and should make things interesting, but without Yao they are still small and even with Yao, they are mismatched and a bit soft. And the Hornets, even as a healthy Hornets, are roughly .500. Not enough perimeter talent, several injury prone players, no depth. Everyone beyond that I'm laughing at your inclusion. Do many of the teams have much brighter futures? Sure... But none of them have the combination of experience, depth, shooting, length and ability to execute within this system.
Phoenix should be expected to win 45-50 games, which should place them in the playoffs around 5/7 range. Can they miss the playoffs? Sure... But I really don't think the perfect storm of all-of-a-sudden maturity, health, instant progress happens the way your post describes.
Except in 2006, the league was much weaker than it is currently.
Suns will be lucky to win 40 games. C'mon losing Stoudamire was huge. Robin Lopez? Puleaaaazzzeeee! They are essentially a donut team now without any real dominant post players. They are the now the New Jersey Nets of the West.
And I'm not saying the Suns are going to win 54 games and win the division.
People are mistaking parody for better. save for the top-5/6 teams, from 12-24, most of the teams are the same, and the bottom 12 teams just aren't very good at all.
Suns will have two ball-handlers and three or four shooters on the floor the entire game. They'll get their points in the paint from the floor being spread so much. Yeah, Amare is a huge loss, but half his offensive possessions were attempted jumpers, and he wasn't that good a rebounder or defender that the Suns with this roster can't replace that board/defensive production through depth and aggressiveness.
Am I happy with this? no! I wanted them to re-sign Amare or tear the team apart. This sucks. But... I understand better than most the effectiveness of this system with the right pieces for the regular season. They'll struggle against many teams, but pose nightmare mismatches for many, many more. Sure, some nights nobodies shots will be falling. But others they will. Nash is still playing at a high level, and with Dragic a capable backup, he'll have his legs for the entire season. Lopez was making significant strides, so to just scoff is really ignorant. Of course, he's an injury concern as well, so we'll have to see.
I'm not convinced they win a playoff series, but I expect them to make the playoffs. I can see a 5/6 win drop off from last season. It could have been worse, but nobody in the west added pieces without losing pieces after the Blazers, Lakers. Nash has played without Amare plenty often enough to know what to do to adjust and maximize a perimeter oriented team. He has the bevy of shooters at his disposal and can run teams ragged with the teams depth. As I said, they'll gimmick up their defense to force more perimeter shots and try to use their perimeter size/athleticism to offset traditional rebounding. They can be very effective in their swarming zone (giving even the Lakers fits), and if they force more jumpers, then fewer positional rebounds are to be had.
But whatever... haters gonna hate. I don't care. I know what's what from watching roughly 90% of the games the Suns have played during this Nash era. They'll win in the regular season, and do enough to make the playoffs. Of this I have no doubt.
Wow... hyperbole?
Don't overstate, man. It's unbecoming and undercuts the validity of any actual reason you present.
Nets? Amare was worth 45 wins?
Tha do u know? You quoted coldplay, you have ZERO credibility
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