JVG: "Miami will break the 72 win record"

[HarlemHeat37]

You do realize your "gutsy" call covers most Finals-losing teams or preseason favorites of the past decade, right? Your qualification would excuse the last 2 Lakers losses in the Finals, for example. Would also cover Boston this year and I've seen plenty make the excuse for Orlando last year ("Jameer was rusty, came back too early" "Jameer was still hurt"). The '99 Knicks, '00 Spurs, '01 Sixers, '03 Lakers all say hi, too.

Way to run with the favorites and still manage to hedge your bets. Really out on a limb there.

I mean injury, as in one of their rotation players having an injury that severely affects their ability and makes them miss time..not like Kobe's "injuries" or any "banged up" injuries..

It's not a "gutsy call", I never said it was..Miami should win the le..

[SomeCallMeTim]

This Miami team clearly has the potential to win 72+ games. However, pretty unlikely they do it. Record-setting dominance like that is rare for a reason: it is an anomaly and really, really hard to do. Throw in the likelihood of some injuries, the fact that a team approaching that kind of a record would have a lot of "meaningless" games and therefore less incentive to win them, and just how hard teams are going to be gunning for this squad... and I just don't see it.

I expect they'll get the best record in the league though and could do so by a comfortable margin. Wild guess Miami at 67 wins with LA at 62.

[SouthTexasRancher]

ROTFFLMFAO ... Jeff Van Gundy ... ROTFFLMFAO...!

The guy is a fk'n loser and has always been one.

[Dex]

[SouthTexasRancher]

[HeatChamps]

Gundy just telling the truth. Greatest team ever

[21_Blessings]

Did you swallow Chrisrichards or something?

The only thing Harlem likes to swallow is LeRobin's semen.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Gundy just telling the truth. Greatest team ever

Had Wade picked 2 winners like Tim Duncan and Kobe then I'd say 73 wins would be within sight but, Wade picked Bosh and an egotistical LOSER in little lebron. You'll just have to keep on dreaming!

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

The opinion of random fans is relevant, how?..I bet you I could find many, many more fans that predicted that teams wouldn't win 70, as opposed to the 1 or 2 fans that predicted 70, which is what you're claiming..



I meant Rasheed's Celtics, my mistake..



Like I said, they brought it up because those teams were ON PACE, not because they were expected to do it..simple logic..



You didn't show anything, what the ..you gave links for 3 teams..1 of them was a player that actually played for that team making that prediction..the other link was about 2 teams that were on pace to compete with the record, well into the season..

The issue is predicted 70 win seasons, not how many predicted who wouldn't win 70 or howm any said they would win 70. Stop trying to twist the argument. Here's 4 predictions by the way including one for the Bulls to win 71 games in 2011. This includes Lakers, and Cavs from 2009-10, and Celtics from 2008-09. I'm not going to bother with more. There were multiple links available on all of them except the Bulls. Again the number who predicted them is not important. Once posted, articles get reposted and plenty thus appear some different, some not. fans that reply to threads count as a prediction as well. They back up what I said, 70 game win seasons.

http://nba.suite101.com/article.cfm/..._season_record
http://www.ozcardtrader.com.au/forum...er-threat.html
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...-than-70-games
http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143854

Thanks for the rest of your argument. I'll commence ripping it to shreds momentarily.

[Jacob1983]

This is probably the dumbest thing JVG has ever said. No team is ever going to break that record. Getting 72 wins is extremely difficult to do. I don't think the Heat will even be good enough to have people talking about 72 wins during the regular season. I would be surprised if they get 60 wins. I honestly think that this Heat team is going to fail miserably and underachieve big time. The last great team to threaten the Bulls' record of 72 wins was the 1999-2000 Lakers. They came up short but could have done it.

[MiamiHeat]

Why is it that every time laker fan gets pissy or gets owned when debating me or HH37, they immediately think we are the same poster?

Why do some turds have such a hard time believing I live in Miami Florida and I am legit?

lol

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

What the are you talking about? ..

You're going against your point here..the 2003 Spurs won with only Duncan and Robinson having experience, the 2009 Lakers won with only Kobe and Fisher having experience, and the Celtics had no experience..

If you're going to bring up their current cores as an example of experience, you're completely contradicting your previous point that teams need experience to win les..you can't bring up these teams and ignore the 2003 Spurs, 2008 Celtics and 2009 Lakers lacking experience by your chosen logic..

Well, you really miss the point here. First the 2003 Spurs did win with experience, and you admit that. Then you say they didn't. Parker and Ginobili rode the coattails of TD and DR and gained experience for the next two years on a championship caliber team that allowed them to help win in 2005 and 2007 because they became keys to the core. 2008 Celtic won without experience yes. 2009 Lakers didn't have championship experience, but they at least had finals experience. Name the last team to win a finals after losing one the previous year. 1989 Pistons. Before that, you could say 1985 Lakers, who had championship experience or 1983 Sixers who had 2 finals losses to the Lakers. If anything this diminishes LeBron's 2007 experience, but that isn't the point. What the issue remains is that more teams are winning with championship experience than aren't. Quit trying to steer clear of this important issue. Three teams exist with their core intact with championship experience and two have won multiple times. My point is history is showing us championship experience has relevance in recent years.

The same way I predicted the 2008 Celtics would win the le..the same way a lot of people predicted the 2008 Celtics would win..there's plenty of reason to believe Miami will win, just by thinking logically..the 2 best players in the NBA, an all-star big man, a great balance of inside-outside offense, a good bench, good spacing, great rebounding, a good defensive system..

yes, there are reasons to believe the Heat could win. there are also reasons to believe they won't. I could make 30 accounts, one for each team, and troll this place all season, then take the one that predicted correctly and rub it in everyone's face. The 2 best players? Your opinion, and a minority one. when you keep going against the grain, you look like a homer and lose respect.

You're contradicting yourself, once again..

You even just brought up the '99 Spurs and 2000 Lakers to try to help your argument, when in fact, it completely proves your argument about "experience" to be false..

wow, you just don't get it. The 1999 and 2000 Spurs and Lakers won their first les and then proceeded to win multiple les. Those were the foundation years, not repeat championships.This backs up my point that teams with championship experience are more likely to win than those without. Those were their first years, just as every team must have. Oh, we covered that already. New teams must win les else we have a 64 time champion. If my wording was confusing, I apologize, but you should know by now that I value teams with championship experience.

Please explain how teams that win multiple les proves that teams with championship experience don't win les. Had the Spurs and Lakers never won again after 1999 and 2000 with their cores and we had different champs every season, I wouldn't have an argument, would I?

[TinTin]

I agree with HH. Your arguments suck.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Why is it that every time laker fan gets pissy or gets owned when debating me or HH37, they immediately think we are the same poster?

Why do some turds have such a hard time believing I live in Miami Florida and I am legit?

lol

Hey, it's my MiamiHeat! Hi ! Still bitter about how I owned your ass regarding Kobe Bryant and the pre draft deal that earmarked him to be drafted by the Hornets and traded to the Lakers for Vlade Divac, never to play one minute for Charlotte?? See my signature for the links if you forgot.

everyone knows you're HarlemHeat37. Supposedly ChrisRichards too. Enjoying getting owned on your HH37 handle as well?

[DPG21920]

Who are you suggesting is better than him right now? I don't like Kobe much, and I hate the Lakers, but he's CLEARLY the best player in the NBA right now.

Lebron.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Haslem will play a lot of minutes beside Bosh, but that's not the point..

You're disregarding the fact that Miami has more championship and Finals experience than many of the teams that completely lacked Finals experience during this era, yet still won the le..'99 Spurs, 2000 Lakers, 2004 Pistons, 2008 Celtics..that was my original point, which you continue to disregard..

Using your logic, which is that an entire team has to have experience, than the 2003 Spurs, 2006 Heat and 2009 Lakers had no experience either..

So overall, using your logic, the only teams that had any championship experience during this era were the 2001 and 2002 Lakers, the 2005 Spurs, the 2007 Spurs and the 2010 Lakers..

The Heat core has Finals experience, Wade and Lebron, their 2 best players, and the 2 best players in the NBA....

Well, you just keep proving you can't argue. Miami as constructed, has one player with championship experience at their core and that's Wade. Wade can't win without Shaq anyway. Haslem <= Derek Fisher on all 5 Lakers championship teams. what part of Haslem isn't in your core do you not understand? Can he join the core? Yes, it's possible. Derek Fisher could also start defending fast point guards too and join the Lakers core.

Here's all that counts now. teams with championship experience at their core:
Spurs 3 les. I already proved and you agreed and now contradict yourself a second time that the 2003 Spurs had championship experience.
Lakers 2 les
Celtics 1 le.

there you go again, calling James and Wade the two best. Ok charlie. you're in the minority. Lebron has 4 finals game losses and no wins. At least Dirk won 2 games and Dwight one. Guess that makes LeBron hungry, right? LOL,. we knew that when "The Decision" aired.

This Miami team, with their core, needs finals experience. right now, they don't have it. If and when they get it they will either win or lose. Dr. J's Sixers lost 3 finals and a few ECF's before he won it all.

[Supergirl]

Lebron.

Talk to me after Lebron has won 5 NBA championships.

[DPG21920]

So TP and Manu are better than Lebron? Shaq?

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

No, history says that championship talent wins..

Well, I say championship experience wins, you say championship talent does. You can't win without talent but potential championship talent isn't the same thing as championship talent.

Let's look at multiple champions over the last 30 years:

Bulls 6 les in 8 years, 1991-1998.
Lakers 5 les in 9 years, 1980-1988
Lakers 5 les in 11 years, 2000-2010
Spurs 4 les in 9 years, 1999-2007
Celtics 3 les in 6 years, 1981-1986.
Pistons: 2 les in 2 years, 1989-1990.
Rockets: 2 les in 2 years, 1994-1995.

that leaves only a handful of teams without multiple les:
1983 Sixers
2004 Pistons
2006 Heat
2008 Celtics

Naturally, every team had to win it's first le, but most were able to win again.
the 1981 Celtics failed first year with Bird. Sixers and Lakers were better then them in 1982-83
the 1983 Sixers failed in 1977, 1980, and 1982
the 1980 Lakers (Kareem) needed Magic Johnson, and later James Worthy.
the 1991 Bulls was MJ's 7th season.
the 1989 Pistons lost in the finals in 1988 and the ECF in a heartbreaker in 1987.
the 1994 rockets needed MJ gone, and how many years with Hakeem?
The 1999 spurs failed in Duncan's first year. It took 4 more years to win again.
The 2000 Lakers needed Phil Jackson to get Shaq and Kobe going in their 4th year together
The 2004 Pistons failed just before in the ECF, 2003.
The 2006 Heat failed in 2005 in the ECF with HCA.
The 2008 Celtics were the first year one hit since maybe the 1977 Blazers. they dumped 2 superstars, Petrie and Wicks, got Mo Lucas and a few other key pieces to team with Walton and cleaned up the Lakers and Sixers.
The 2009 Lakers lost for 4 years without Shaq.

How many great players didn't win les in this era?

LeBron, Bosh, Ewing, Barkley, Gervin, Malone, Nash, Dirk, Stockton, English, etc... etc....

See, Miami does one of two things if they win a le. they win in year 1 like the Celtics of 2008, or they win later, like every other championship team in the last 31 seasons did. History is not on their side I am afraid.

When the Heat win their first, then you can boast. History say you will then win more. But you haven't won jack yet. Until you do, all you have is potential championship talent. Don't try and spin this that the first year champions didn't have championship experience. the trend is multiple championships are the norm once a first is won. LeBron promised 8 of them if you recall. Based on the above list, 3 by the Heat is great, anything over that is gravy.

[MiamiHeat]

everyone knows you're HarlemHeat37. Supposedly ChrisRichards too. Enjoying getting owned on your HH37 handle as well?

anyone who believes that is a moron

obviously you're just a troll who lacks the skill to be a good one,

so enjoy failing! i certainly wont write another post to you

[HarlemHeat37]

Your arguments are all over the place, and they keep contradicting each other..it's saddening..

I have no idea why you keep bringing up le history for teams that won multiple les..it ruins your entire argument, because all of those teams had to start somewhere, right?..

Yes, the Bulls won 6 les..however, the 1991 le was Chicago's first, and how much championship experience did they have prior to that?..NONE..

The Lakers won 5 les..their first le was in 1980..how much championship experience did they have prior to that?..NONE..

I already touched on the 2000 Lakers..same with the '99 Spurs..

The Pistons and Rockets had no championship experience prior to those years as well..

In fact, out of all these le teams, only 1 of them even had any Finals experience, which was the Pistons..

So you keep saying that Miami is at a disadvantage because the Spurs, Lakers and Celtics are "experienced", yet you're completely ignoring the fact that all the le teams you named had to start somewhere..all those teams had no championship experience prior to winning their 1st les..in fact, with Wade and Lebron having won les(Wade) and led a team to the Finals(Lebron), they actually have even more experience than the majority of those dynasties when they first began their run..

You're probably a troll, so the fact that I responded to you multiple times probably satisfied you, so I'll take a loss in case you aren't actually a troll..I find that difficult to believe though, since I don't think anybody could possibly be as bad as you in regards to making arguments..

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

I made an edit on my post, too late, All you want to do is twist things and talk about how teams that won their first le had no experience. Bull ,. that's not the point. the point is you need it to win multiple les and that's what you expect from the Heat, right? Most future championship teams had to lose before they won. The exceptions are noted, 2008 Celtics and 1977 Blazers.

you keep claiming I fail but you are failing, and I have more coming to refute your arguments.

[MiamiHeat]

You're probably a troll, so the fact that I responded to you multiple times probably satisfied you, so I'll take a loss in case you aren't actually a troll..I find that difficult to believe though, since I don't think anybody could possibly be as bad as you in regards to making arguments..

look at his ing name dude lol

im surprised you even posted that much

[HarlemHeat37]

I know, posting ridiculously stupid and long arguments is probably his gimmick, so ya, like I said, I'll take the L..

He's a pretty good troll TBH, he makes it sound like he actually believes what he write..

[callo1]

JVG does not really believe this, he is simply saying this to make the Heat (Pat Riley) look bad when it doesn't happen. JVG's little brother got canned so Riles could take over, then went on to win a ring with that team.

That is how I read it anyway.