Been raped...GOP says too bad...you gotta have the baby...

[DMX7]

What's wrong with someone having such beliefs to serve in congress? You saying that such people cannot serve would amount to a religious test, because any actual believer has such a viewpoint.

What's wrong with thinking it's god's plan for a young child to get pregnant because of rape or incest? Are you serious?

This issue really doesn't even have anything to do with religion. She's just an insane extreme right winger using religion to justify her nonsense because it's the most convenient of excuses. And only a dullard wouldn't see through that, which is exactly why you didn't.

[spursncowboys]

Yet not without basis in historical fact.

Various attempts to control women's reproductive rights have often been used, in this country and elsewhere, in conjunction with efforts to marginalize/demoralize/slow the growth of oppressed groups. Depo Provera, an especially aggressive and dangerous form of birth control, is still heavily promoted within communities of color. It is/was recently fairly standard practice for Native American women on reservations to be sterilized on routine doctor visits without prior/adequate notification. During the early conflicts with the indigenous tribes here, it was actually written and promoted as an effective strategy to first go after the women, leading to not only frequent killings of women and children, but also rape and the practice of using a tribal woman's ovaries/uterus/reproductive organs to decorate one's hat or horse.

Is it accurate to assume that the fear of rising minority populations is the ONLY motivation for anti-abortion sentiment? Probably not. But it's not as if the suggestion comes completely out of left field. It's a common feminist concern for good reason.

Birth control and abortion were pushed by Margaret Sanger and other Eugenicists. THese progressives were pure evil. They were the ones trying to get rid of the blacks and yellows.

[spursncowboys]

It is much more heavily promoted in communities of color and in lower class communities than in affluent/white communities. Or, at least, it historically has been, even when the dangers and potential complications were known.

A year or two ago, Planned Parenthood announced that they were going to market towards minorities. Also, if I remember correctly, why they chose their hq's in downtown houston.

[George Gervin's Afro]

A year or two ago, Planned Parenthood announced that they were going to market towards minorities. Also, if I remember correctly, why they chose their hq's in downtown houston.

borth control for the poor..oh the horrah!

[spursncowboys]

No population control targeting certain races isn't racist.

[George Gervin's Afro]

No population control targeting certain races isn't racist.

what are you talking about now? another conspiracy theory from the right wing blogosphere...


I like the fact that PP is trying to limit the number of abortions. You do support limiting abortions don't you?

[spursncowboys]

I support not murdering unborn children. There is no conspiracy theory about eugenics and margaret sanger

[CosmicCowboy]

what are you talking about now? another conspiracy theory from the right wing blogosphere...


I like the fact that PP is trying to limit the number of abortions. You do support limiting abortions don't you?

Are you really THAT stupid?

Planed Parenthood advocating limiting abortions?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Are you really THAT stupid?

Planed Parenthood advocating limiting abortions?

does birth control limit abortions?

[Spurminator]

No population control targeting certain races isn't racist.

Race card!

[George Gervin's Afro]

does birth control limit abortions?

[CosmicCowboy]

does birth control limit abortions?

Look asshole I'm pro-choice but you are trying to slice blonde hairs here.

Planned Parenthood operates more abortion mills than any other organization in America.

Don't try to twist it that because they also hand out rubbers and birth control pills they are trying to "limit" abortions.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Look asshole I'm pro-choice but you are trying to slice blonde hairs here.

Planned Parenthood operates more abortion mills than any other organization in America.

Don't try to twist it that because they also hand out rubbers and birth control pills they are trying to "limit" abortions.

so they do limit abortions.

which is what I said from the very beginning. I think we call agree anything to reduce the number of abortions is a good thing. So ,using your language, the abortion mill is trying to limit the number of abortions they will have to provide.

[CuckingFunt]

What much of the right fails to realize is that advocating for reproductive justice isn't motivated by a support of abortion. It's not even entirely about warm and fuzzy hippie sentiment about choice and personal freedoms (though there is merit in that goal). It is, first and foremost, a health and safety issue. Abortions have previously been illegal in this country, but it didn't stop women from seeking dangerous and often fatal procedures to terminate unwanted pregnancies.

And calling Planned Parenthood an abortion mill shows a complete ignorance of their nature as an organization. They have become known for providing affordable abortions, but in truth they provide affordable gynecological services of all kinds to women without access to medical insurance. Education is also a huge part of their organization.

[spursncowboys]

What much of the right fails to realize is that advocating for reproductive justice isn't motivated by a support of abortion. It's not even entirely about warm and fuzzy hippie sentiment about choice and personal freedoms (though there is merit in that goal). It is, first and foremost, a health and safety issue. Abortions have previously been illegal in this country, but it didn't stop women from seeking dangerous and often fatal procedures to terminate unwanted pregnancies.

And calling Planned Parenthood an abortion mill shows a complete ignorance of their nature as an organization. They have become known for providing affordable abortions, but in truth they provide affordable gynecological services of all kinds to women without access to medical insurance. Education is also a huge part of their organization.

You cannot ignore PP's beginning, history, or lobbyist efforts.

[CuckingFunt]

You cannot ignore PP's beginning, history, or lobbyist efforts.

Planned Parenthood is a feminist organization that has always lobbied for reproductive justice and has provided abortion services. I both acknowledge and appreciate those facts.

I'm not the one labeling the organization an "abortion mill" because it's one of several services provided.

[spursncowboys]

Margaret Sanger
on blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... Human beings who never should have been born." margaret sanger, pivot of civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people on sterilization & racial purification:
sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. birth control in america, the career of margaret sanger, by david kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 sanger speech.
on the right of married couples to bear children:
couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "plan for peace." birth control review, april 1932
on the purpose of birth control:
the purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the birth control review, nov. 1921 (p. 2)
on the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"more children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." birth control review, may 1919, p. 12
on religious convictions regarding sex outside of marriage:
"this book aims to answer the needs expressed in thousands on thousands of letters to me in the solution of marriage problems... Knowledge of sex truths frankly and plainly presented cannot possibly injure healthy, normal, young minds. Concealment, suppression, futile attempts to veil the unveilable - these work injury, as they seldom succeed and only render those who indulge in them ridiculous. For myself, i have full confidence in the cleanliness, the open-mindedness, the promise of the younger generation." margaret sanger, happiness in marriage (bretano's, new york, 1927)
on the extermination of blacks:
"we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." woman's body, woman's right: A social history of birth control in america, by linda gordon
on respecting the rights of the mentally ill:
in her "plan for peace," sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. birth control review, april 1932, p. 107
on adultery:
a woman's physical satisfaction was more important than any marriage vow, sanger believed. birth control in america, p. 11
on marital sex:
"the marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," sanger said. (p. 23) [quite the opposite of god's view on the matter: "marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but mongers and adulterers god will judge." (hebrews 13:4)
on abortion:
"criminal' abortions arise from a perverted sex relationship under the stress of economic necessity, and their greatest frequency is among married women." the woman rebel - no gods, no masters, may 1914, vol. 1, no. 3.
on the ymca and ywca:
"...brothels of the spirit and morgues of freedom!"), the woman rebel - no gods, no masters, may 1914, vol. 1, no. 3.
on the catholic church's view of contraception:
"...enforce subjugation by turning woman into a mere incubator." the woman rebel - no gods, no masters, may 1914, vol. 1, no. 3.
on motherhood:
"i cannot refrain from saying that women must come to recognize there is some function of womanhood other than being a child-bearing machine." what every girl should know, by margaret sanger (max maisel, publisher, 1915) [jesus said: "daughters of jerusalem, weep... For your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, blessed (happy) are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts which never gave suck." (luke 23:24)]

"the most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." margaret sanger, women and the new race (eugenics publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

planned parenthood today

"we are not going to be an organization promoting celibacy or chas y."
faye wattleton, president, planned parenthood federation of america, los angeles times, oct. 17, 1986
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"if your parents are stupid enough to deny you access to birth control, and you are under 18, you can get it on your own. Call planned parenthood."
planned parenthood advertisement, dallas observer, jan. 30, 1986
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"there are only 2 basic kinds of sex: Sex with victims and sex without. Sex with victims is always wrong. Sex without is always right."
you've changed the combination, rocky mountain planned parenthood, denver, colo.
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"the question of whether or not to sell ourselves to men is a false one: The real question is how to sell ourselves in the way that is least destructive to ourselves and our sisters. Pros utes don't need our condescension. What they need is our alliance. And we need theirs."
the new our bodies, ourselves, boston women's health collective, p 113
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"sex is too important to glop up with sentiment. If you feel sexy, for heaven's sake admit it to yourself. If the feeling and the tension bother you, you can masturbate. Masturbation cannot hurt you and it will make you feel more relaxed."
the perils of puberty, rocky mountain planned parenthood, denver, colo.
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"at planned parenthood you can also get birth control without the consent or knowledge of your parents. So, if you are 14, 15 or 16 and you come to planned parenthood, we won't tell your parents you've been there. We swear we won't tell your parents."
planned parenthood employee lecturing students of ramona high school, riverside, calif., april 21-22, 1986

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facts on planned parenthood

planned parenthood on adoption:
of 6,000 clinic visit records examined from a texas pp clinic, only 3 referred for adoption. (aborting planned parenthood, by robert h. Ruff, new vision press, 1988)

planned parenthood's on sexuality & marital rights:
pp has encouraged sexuality and advocated compulsory sterilization of all who have two children. (family planning perspectives (a pp publication), june, oct. 1970)
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planned parenthood's goal:
dr. Lena levine in 1953, concerning planned parenthood's purpose and planned course of action: "... To be ready as educators and parents to help young people obtain sex satisfaction before marriage. By sanctioning sex before marriage we will prevent fear and guilt. We must also relieve those who have these ... Feelings, and we must be ready to provide young boys and girls with the best contraceptive measures available so they will have the necessary means to achieve sexual satisfaction without having to risk possible pregnancy." (planned parenthood news, summer 1953) ." ("psycho-sexual development," quoted in planned parenthood news, summer 1953, pg. 10)

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planned parenthood on pregnancy:
pp has an unhealthy concept of pregnancy, as it views the state of gestation as an abnormal condition or disease. Speaking for the organization, dr. Warren hern refers to human pregnancy as "an episodic, moderately extended chronic condition ... May be defined as an illness ... Treated by evacuation of the uterine contents..."("is pregnancy really normal?" family planning perspective, planned parenthood, vol. 3, no. 1, jan. 1971, pg. 9)

[spursncowboys]

Sanger saw birth control as a means to prevent "dysgenic" children from being born into a disadvantaged life, and dismissed "positive eugenics" (which promoted greater fertility for the "fitter" upper classes) as impractical. Though many leaders in the negative eugenics movement were calling for active euthanasia of the "unfit," Sanger spoke out against such methods. She believed that women with the power and knowledge of birth control were in the best position to produce "fit" children. She rejected any type of eugenics that would take control out of the hands of those actually giving birth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

[fraga]

Jesus was a jew...

[Spurminator]

Based on SnC's post I can come to no other conclusion except that we need to force Margaret Sanger to step down.

[ChumpDumper]

Jesus said barren women should never be happy?

What a .

[CuckingFunt]

I'm confused by the frequent attempts to prove that Margaret Sanger supported eugenics when no one has refuted those claims. I don't excuse Sanger's racism/ableism any more than I excuse Dr. King's phobia. They both agreed with sentiments that were, however unfortunately, quite common within their respective times. But it doesn't mean that either of them weren't able to promote/effect positive change within our society.

[CuckingFunt]

Incidentally, there's absolutely nothing within the information posted about Planned Parenthood that suggests or supports the idea that they are an "abortion mill."

[ChumpDumper]

I'm confused by the frequent attempts to prove that Margaret Sanger supported eugenics when no one has refuted those claims. I don't excuse Sanger's racism/ableism any more than I excuse Dr. King's phobia. They both agreed with sentiments that were, however unfortunately, quite common within their respective times. But it doesn't mean that either of them weren't able to promote/effect positive change within our society.

No, you have to be against birth control because someone who died over 40 years ago was a racist.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm still freaked out about the facts on PP... they are all over 22 years old...