Will Blair play with Timmy Duncs?

[ElNono]

We played for years with Oberto/Rasho/Nazr simply playing the weak side while Duncan posted up. We pretty much still do it with McDyess. They never went to the perimeter.
Duncan still had his space and so did Tony and Manu...

[DPG21920]

We played for years with Oberto/Rasho/Nazr simply playing the weak side while Duncan posted up. We pretty much still do it with McDyess. They never went to the perimeter.
Duncan still had his space and so did Tony and Manu...

Which is exactly why I said the offense does not bother me. I think Blair could give as much as those guys on offense when paired with Tim, if not more because of his motor/rebounding.

But those guys were all clever/longer defenders. It's just not an ideal pairing, but if Blair can make a Hill type leap in his 2nd year, then I can see the pairing being useful in spurts.

[lotr1trekkie]

Dice's jumper allows Tim to post up. Blair's abilities will allow Splitter to move and pick and roll. When Tim arrived, David accepted the role as Mr. Inside since Tim was obviously Mr. Outside. With a little teamwork all can be accomplished.

[Man In Black]

I think if all he did was get rebounds, look for shot, it's not there, pass back out to reset the offense. That would be all he needed to do. If he did that, he'd get around 8 to 10 boards per, he'd shoot a high percentage, and the turnovers would go down.
Better than Fab numbers and his high ceiling, to me, would be Wes Unseld Medium. About 14 & 10 and shoots 54%.

[Fabbs]

Which is exactly why I said the offense does not bother me. I think Blair could give as much as those guys on offense when paired with Tim, if not more because of his motor/rebounding.

But those guys were all clever/longer defenders. It's just not an ideal pairing, but if Blair can make a Hill type leap in his 2nd year, then I can see the pairing being useful in spurts.

lotr1trekkie

Dice's jumper allows Tim to post up. Blair's abilities will allow Splitter to move and pick and roll. When Tim arrived, David accepted the role as Mr. Inside since Tim was obviously Mr. Outside. With a little teamwork all can be accomplished.

Exactly. A playoff (win by the way ) case in point of Blair doing just this is Gm 4 vs Dallas. With Dallas threatening to make a 2-2 tie, Grizzley came in again in the 3rd with the score 57-57. A steal, a tipped pass, his usual arse kicking boarding (7 in 11 minutes) and a few made shots to boot and he was a big help. The lead 'schrommed to 70-61 before a rigged *flagrant* call vs Blair gave _allas some help.

To be sure the star of that game was GHill and for at least one playoff game Jefferson did not suck. Also CIA Pooped actually kept his new mistress Matt Bonner on the bench. Win win win.

A team effort with Grizzley Blair doing just fine.

[Fabbs]

I think if all he did was get rebounds, look for shot, it's not there, pass back out to reset the offense. That would be all he needed to do. If he did that, he'd get around 8 to 10 boards per, he'd shoot a high percentage, and the turnovers would go down.
Better than Fab numbers and his high ceiling, to me, would be Wes Unseld Medium. About 14 & 10 and shoots 54%.

Good point and i think very doable by Grizzley. If his knees hold up the only person who can stop him is Popped.
I chronicled his 30 minutes + games last year and i believe he averaged 12 and 14.

[ElNono]

Dice's jumper allows Tim to post up.

Dice jumper was mostly off screens, handoffs and collapsing due to Tony/Manu penetrating. Even in the Dallas series they were sending Kidd to double Tim when he put the ball in the floor, not Dirk.

[Seventyniner]

If any 3-big lineup would work, it would be McDyess/Bonner/Blair; the spacing wouldn't be half bad then.

And who could forget the Perdue (C)/Robinson (PF)/Duncan (SF) TRIPLE TOWERS lineup Pop used to throw out in 1999?

[ChuckD]

If any 3-big lineup would work, it would be McDyess/Bonner/Blair; the spacing wouldn't be half bad then.

And who could forget the Perdue (C)/Robinson (PF)/Duncan (SF) TRIPLE TOWERS lineup Pop used to throw out in 1999?

Actually, I think it was in 1997-1998, Tim's rookie year. Sean was hurt AGAIN, and Monte Williams flat out sucked. Tim was long and agile in those days, and teams frequently played two traditional banging in the paint bigs, so we could get away with Will and Big Dave at the 4/5.

[ChumpDumper]

We played for years with Oberto/Rasho/Nazr simply playing the weak side while Duncan posted up. We pretty much still do it with McDyess. They never went to the perimeter.
Duncan still had his space and so did Tony and Manu...

Those big men usually parked up at the top of the key. If Blair can knock down shots from there, I'm all for his playing up there. I am not for Blair's taking Duncan's place in the post and parking Duncan at the top of the key. That is silly. Blair simply isn't that good.

[Seventyniner]

Actually, I think it was in 1997-1998, Tim's rookie year. Sean was hurt AGAIN, and Monte Williams flat out sucked. Tim was long and agile in those days, and teams frequently played two traditional banging in the paint bigs, so we could get away with Will and Big Dave at the 4/5.

I thought Monty Williams didn't take over as the starting SF until 2000 (after Elliott retired); then again, I thought Perdue didn't join the Spurs until 1999 and I was wrong about that.

[EricB]

Also forget the fact all of those other players had height above 6'7...

[ElNono]

Those big men usually parked up at the top of the key. If Blair can knock down shots from there, I'm all for his playing up there. I am not for Blair's taking Duncan's place in the post and parking Duncan at the top of the key. That is silly. Blair simply isn't that good.

That's not my recollection at all. They played weakside and sometimes flashed under the basket. At least as far as Oberto/Kurt Thomas goes. I would have to go back and look at Rasho/Nazr video.

This is a typical Oberto play off a Duncan post up:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oID=2032957175

[ElNono]

Also forget the fact all of those other players had height above 6'7...

Depends on what you want from the position... Oberto highest RPG in the NBA was 5.7... Blair already averaged 6.4 in his rookie season...

Then again, Blair has a lot to learn to defend properly in the post and his height is obviously a negative for that...

[ElNono]

I most definitely don't see Blair as SF though...

[mingus]

the minutes are Blair's to lose. Blair has too much talent to play behind an older McDyess and Bonner. Dyess will be the 4th big (probably 5th for the first half of the season when Pop is resting him) by the end of the year. Bonner will be the cheerleader for the second half of the season hopefully.

[My Fault]

Either that or i watched them on the floor at the same time last year when numerous realists took note that not only did he and Dunc usually win the board battle but Duncans demeanor looked refreshed, energized, ready to play again.

Rather then tired, old, draining, run down like you PopApologists and your takes are.

Maybe your just to stupid to realize that with both Blair and Duncan on the floor at the same time means no spacing. I know you'll find a way to turn this into something about Pop but if you can keep your man crush out of it, you might actually put some logic into your thinking. No spacing means no slashers slashing.

[ElNono]

I'm personally peachy with a rotation of Duncan/Dice/Blair/Splitter for our PF/C positions. Whatever combo works, I'm game.

[Fabbs]

Maybe your just to stupid to realize that with both Blair and Duncan on the floor at the same time means no spacing. I know you'll find a way to turn this into something about Pop but if you can keep your man crush out of it, you might actually put some logic into your thinking. No spacing means no slashers slashing.

Peanut,
get yourself a dvd of the Spurs 2003 Championship with Maliker Rose.
Might smarten you up a bit.
Might not.

[Fabbs]

I'm personally peachy with a rotation of Duncan/Dice/Blair/Splitter for our PF/C positions. Whatever combo works, I'm game.

Yep.


Hey speaking of peaches...

[My Fault]

Peanut,
get yourself a dvd of the Spurs 2003 Championship with Maliker Rose.
Might smarten you up a bit.
Might not.

Yes cause we still have 03 Duncan not the sharpest are we?

[Fabbs]

My Fault

Yes cause we still have 03 Duncan not the sharpest are we?

ChumpDumper posted

Those big men usually parked up at the top of the key. If Blair can knock down shots from there, I'm all for his playing up there. I am not for Blair's taking Duncan's place in the post and parking Duncan at the top of the key. That is silly. Blair simply isn't that good.

My Fault, you completely missed ElNonos point. Don't want to watch a 2003 Spurs Champ with Maliker at the F spot, okay watch Oberto in 2007. Maybe you can get together with Hump and view.

That's not my recollection at all. They played weakside and sometimes flashed under the basket. At least as far as Oberto/Kurt Thomas goes. I would have to go back and look at Rasho/Nazr video.

This is a typical Oberto play off a Duncan post up:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oID=2032957175

Exactly. I would say 70% of Fabs hoops where from 4 feet and in when playing alonside Dunkar.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't want to watch a 2003 Spurs Champ with Maliker at the F spot

He was often parked in the key as well. and why would you make a nickname that is longer than the original name?

okay watch Oberto in 2007.

OK.

Exactly. I would say 70% of Fabs hoops where from 4 feet and in when playing alonside Dunkar.

Sure, when one is the fifth option who has no plays run for him. The proposition was to have Duncan play where you say Oberto was so Blair can post up.