Chris Paul or Deron Williams?

[Killakobe81]

So by facts you mean stats? Because I could use these same "facts" to say Chris Paul is a better shooter then Dirk Nowitzki but at the end of the day it doesn't make my point anymore valid.
Stats can be manipulated for anything.

I could make a damn good argument with stats that Kidd is a better shooter then Allen. Does it make my point any more valid?

No

If you watch Ray Allen play in a game you can clearly see he's a better three point shooter then Kidd.

It's the same With Deron, if you watch him in a game you can clearly see he's a better shooter then Paul.


Anyhow no need to argue the polls on many basketball forums including this one speak for themselves

Agree had this debate here and other places past 2 seasons ...
Paul backers love stats ESPECially PER ...

They dont bother using their eyes ...

FTR ...I dont think Dwill is wayyy better just better.

[redzero]

Stats can be manipulated for anything.

How am I manipulating anything? I made a claim and I backed it up with evidence.

I could make a damn good argument with stats that Kidd is a better shooter then Allen. Does it make my point any more valid?

No, you cannot.

If you watch Ray Allen play in a game you can clearly see he's a better three point shooter then Kidd.

For his career, yes.

It's the same With Deron, if you watch him in a game you can clearly see he's a better shooter then Paul.

Which is completely bull and ambiguous. When someone like you has nothing to back up his claim, he'll say "Just watch the game." I have watched the game, obviously, and I know that Chris Paul is a better shooter. He's a better three-point shooter. He's a better at getting his own shot. He's a better shooter, period. You saying he isn't won't change the fact that he is.

Anyhow no need to argue the polls on many basketball forums including this one speak for themselves

So, when you have no argument, you go with polls as your proof?

And since stats can be easily manipulated, manipulate them so they show that Williams is a better shooter than Paul.

Does anybody have any actual points, or am I wasting my time again?

[Darrin]

Williams all day, every day.

[fevertrees]

Right now WILLIAMS considering Paul's at ude and injury prone problems as of late...I still think Paul is better though

[La Mont]

either would be a fantastic signing for the Rockets, but I don't see no way we gonna get anyone. man, to the ground floor we only have a bag of average talents to build around, stuck with a vast mass of bad scraps.

[redzero]

Seriously, folks, does anybody have any reason to pick Williams outside of him being a better shooter (he isn't) or defender (he isn't)?

[Killakobe81]

% aside ...and really this doesnt matter that much to me bothe are great PG's ...

But does anyone here really watch Cp3 shoot and say he is a better SHOOTER than Dwill?

Getting his own shot and scoring I give Cp3 the nod ...

But shooting I dont see how you can OBJECTIVELY watch basketball and make that case ...

[redzero]

But shooting I dont see how you can OBJECTIVELY watch basketball and make that case ...

I don't understand your point. I watch Chris Paul make more shot attempts than Deron Williams.

Show me how Williams is a better shooter, for the third time.

[Xevious]

Right now I'd pick Williams. But people seem to forget that Paul was in the top 2 or 3 in MVP voting a couple years ago. Yes he needs to prove he can return to preinjury form, and his at ude is suspect. But he's far from the bum some people are making him out to be.

[Killakobe81]

Seriously, folks, does anybody have any reason to pick Williams outside of him being a better shooter (he isn't) or defender (he isn't)?

He is bigger. Don't let anyone lie to you SIZE matters.
He is a better shooter. I would not have my son watch PG tape of Cp3 for shooting ...score and playmaking yes....maybe.

He has taken his teams to the WCF and the Final four.
His game will age better ...(not sure but i think so)
you cant post him up
He can post up.

I have seen this head2head.
Also in The Olympics.
Also College. (i like UNC and have seen Paul since college)

Jazz could have chosen Paul if they wanted. Chose Dwill I think they know a bit about choosing PG's ...

[Killakobe81]

I don't understand your point. I watch Chris Paul make more shot attempts than Deron Williams.

Show me how Williams is a better shooter, for the third time.

% does not = shot attempts ...

[La Mont]

Right now WILLIAMS considering Paul's at ude and injury prone problems as of late...I still think Paul is better though

man ahh, u gotta act like you like him better pretendedly even if you don't frankly do. Deron remains with Jazz and will retire there, or will only move elsewhere in the very last years of his career in search for a championship ring (like Karl Malone). umm... Jazz players all have such loyalty to Jerry Sloan and anyone leaving Utah for money will always end up being considered a traitor (like Carlos Boozer).

mm... none of them will dare to betray their formidable godfather, especially the homegrown Jazz players like Derron.

[Red Hawk #21]

lol Paul being a better shooter than D-Will. Anyone who's seen him play can clearly see that he chooses his shots very carefully, that is why he has a higher FG% than Williams. Williams>Paul, not that Paul isn't great but D-Will is just better.

[La Mont]

Seriously, folks, does anybody have any reason to pick Williams outside of him being a better shooter (he isn't) or defender (he isn't)?

they're two sheer different type of players, each whereas has his own avails and flaws. ahhh man, deron does better teamwork and is more of a physical presence than CP, and he's a better shooter/defender too, but CP possesses better ball controlling and superior creativity which evens it a lot. it pretty much depends on what style of game your team plays in my opinion. That's like an Isiah/Stockton comparison in which you can hardly tell who's convincingly better than the other.

[redzero]

He is bigger. Don't let anyone lie to you SIZE matters.

Yet Paul plays better.

He is a better shooter. I would not have my son watch PG tape of Cp3 for shooting ...score and playmaking yes....maybe.

Even though Paul does all those things better, you would rather show your son how to do it worse.

He has taken his teams to the WCF and the Final four.

And? His teammates have been better and the Jazz lucked out by not having to face the Mavs in the second round. They lost to the same team the Hornets lost to, but in fewer games.

His game will age better ...(not sure but i think so)

Which is pure speculation.

you cant post him up

How do you know?

He can post up.

And?

I have seen this head2head.

For the billionth time, head-to-head is a bull argument. Period.

Also in The Olympics.

Who cares about the Olympics? We're talking about the NBA.

Also College. (i like UNC and have seen Paul since college)

We're talking about the NBA.

Jazz could have chosen Paul if they wanted. Chose Dwill I think they know a bit about choosing PG's ...

Congratulations to the Jazz for choosing the worse point guard.

It's really tiresome having to refute the same nonsense over and over again.

This poll is obviously meaningless, because nobody can actually give me a legitimate reason as to why Williams is a better player.

And I'll just ignore those who say he is a better shooter, because they think that the better shooter doesn't actually have to shoot better.

[Killakobe81]

6 6 40.2 0.494 0.481 0.789 0.2 2.5 2.7 11.2 1.2 0.2 3.0 4.2 25.8 \

That is Almost 26pts. 11assists 48% 3's 49% FG against denver who destroyed Paul the year prior ...

[redzero]

at the people who still insist that Williams is the better shooter.

Who cares if Paul shoots better? If you actually watch them play, you'll see that Paul's shots are flukes and Williams actually makes more legit shots. Fact are overrated.

[Thompson]

I never said that Pargo was Kobe Bryant, just that y'all were better with him than you were the following year without him. Are you happy with the Collison trade?

[Killakobe81]

Yet Paul plays better. Says who? You? a HORNET fan?
Even though Paul does all those things better, you would rather show your son how to do it worse. Korver has better % than ray allen but whose form do you think my son watches? And? His teammates have been better and the Jazz lucked out by not having to face the Mavs in the second round. They lost to the same team the Hornets lost to, but in fewer games.
What about this year where they beat the Nuggs and year prior Paul was getting eviscerated ...
Which is pure speculation. I said that learn to read
How do you know?
And?
For the billionth time, head-to-head is a bull argument. Period.
Who cares about the Olympics? We're talking about the NBA.
We're talking about the NBA.

Congratulations to the Jazz for choosing the worse point guard.

It's really tiresome having to refute the same nonsense over and over again.

This poll is obviously meaningless, because nobody can actually give me a legitimate reason as to why Williams is a better player.

And I'll just ignore those who say he is a better shooter, because they think that the better shooter doesn't actually have to shoot better.

Poll is meaningless but you asked for reasons I gave you some just cuz you disagree doesnt make them invalid ...

[redzero]

I never said he was Kobe Bryant, just that y'all were better with him than you were the following year.

Whether or not that is true is irrelevant. Chris Paul wasn't threatened by Pargo. Why the would he be? He didn't drive the dude out.

[Killakobe81]

at the people who still insist that Williams is the better shooter.

Who cares if Paul shoots better? If you actually watch them play, you'll see that Paul's shots are flukes and Williams actually makes more legit shots. Fact are overrated.

Show me his stats against the Nuggets and Spurs and Dwill's stats IN THE PLAYOFFS vs those same teams ....

Since you love stats so much ...I dare you ...

[Purch]

Why is this thread still going? Everyone seems to be in agreement except for Hornets fans who obviously are gonna be biased.

[La Peace]

I have to personally go with Chris Paul, I just love his game. I appreciate D-Will's and hes an elite point guard for sure and has a case for being the best. But when Chris is healthy and has competent players around him he is really really amazing to watch, his dribble moves are just unparalleled and his passing ability is off the charts. Derron is elite in both of these areas in today's game and obviously has the size advantage but Chris' dribbling and passing to me is not only top notch in todays game but up there with some of the best I have ever seen and that gets him the nod to me personally. But obviously overall Derron supporters have a legit case.

[Thompson]

Whether or not that is true is irrelevant. Chris Paul wasn't threatened by Pargo. Why the would he be? He didn't drive the dude out.

Are you happy with the Collison trade? That's two guys backing up Chris Paul (and doing a good to very good job of it) that the Hornets got rid of for no apparent reason.

[redzero]

Poll is meaningless but you asked for reasons I gave you some just cuz you disagree doesnt make them invalid ...

The fact that your reasons are wrong makes them invalid.

According to you, having a better shooting form (allegedly) makes one a better shooter, not actually making more shots than another. If that wasn't what you were trying to say, then your statement is utterly pointless.

The Nuggets series is supposed to be some undeniable evidence, yet Paul had to carry the Hornets into the playoffs and faced an far superior team.

Boozer averaged over 20 points and ten rebounds against the Nuggets, Millsap played well, and the Nuggets were imploding.

What about Paul and Williams' career playoff averages? You want to fault Paul for "getting destroyed" by the Nuggets when his second best player was a worn out David West who had a bad back and bad ankle.

Reading the same bull gets boring after a while.

Show me his stats against the Nuggets and Spurs and Dwill's stats IN THE PLAYOFFS vs those same teams ....

Since you love stats so much ...I dare you ...

Chris Paul average around 23 and 12 against the Spurs and Williams averaged 25 and 8. Paul lost in seven while Williams lost in five.

Again, you are resting your entire argument on a single playoff series.

And if Williams is so superior, what happened the very next series against the Lakers? He was swept and played noticeably worse.

Why is this thread still going? Everyone seems to be in agreement except for Hornets fans who obviously are gonna be biased.

Yeah, the stats must be biased as well. Who cares if Paul shoots better, passes better, scores more, rebounds more and has a far better PER? Williams is better because you say he is better, and the facts don't matter.