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What does it matter if I am happy or not? That's irrelevant to the topic at hand.
And have you seen Pargo play lately? He has been terrible, to say the least.
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Nope facts matter. Most of us actually watch them play instead of just looking at Chris Paul's box scores
Yeah, the stats must be biased as well. Who cares if Paul shoots better, passes better, scores more, rebounds more and has a far better PER? Williams is better because you say he is better, and the facts don't matter.
You might want to try it some time.
I Heard watching a game can teach you alot more about a player then looking at Boxscore
What does it matter if I am happy or not? That's irrelevant to the topic at hand.
And have you seen Pargo play lately? He has been terrible, to say the least.
Yeah, I must mentally block Paul out of my mind when I go to Hornets games and watch them on tv. I see every player on the court except Chris Paul.Nope facts matter. Most of us actually watch them play instead of just looking at Chris Paul's box scores
I agree. I'll try to spot Chris Paul the next time I watch a Hornets game, because apparently, he is hard to spot.You might want to try it some time.
Yeah, I can watch Paul make more shots at a higher percentage than Williams if I watch the games. OH WAIT--that doesn't matter, because the better shooter shoots worse, according to you.I Heard watching a game can teach you alot more about a player then looking at Boxscore
I have no argument so I will keep saying "Watch them play" as if that somehow invalidates all the stats.
Hey guys! Brandon Roy is better than Kobe Bryant! Just watch them play and you will see.
Yao Ming is better than Dwight Howard. Just watch them play and don't pay attention to the stats.
Chris Paul is better. One injury-plagued season contorted the opinions of people and made Deron Williams look better.
I have one more question for the Williams supporters.
Since the entire backbone of their argument is that watching Williams play will show that he is better, please tell me what that would prove? If I thought that Paul was a better shooter, how would watching Williams shoot disprove my belief, hypothetically speaking?
Obviously you have to go with Williams until Paul shows that he's still the same player post-injury, but when healthy, it's a toss-up, although I would prefer Paul..I'm not really going to argue if anybody wants to take Williams, it's close, but I would go with Paul..
Offensively, I take Paul..he's a slightly better passer, slightly better p&r overall player, the better spot-up shooter, better isolation scorer, better at taking advantage of mismatches..
Williams is a better post-up player and penetrator by a large margin, his main advantages over Paul as an offensive threat..he's a more versatile offensive threat than Paul, but this is also due to coaching..we have yet to see Paul play an off the ball role in any way, and we won't know if it's due to inability or due to lack of variety in coaching..I find Jerry Sloan to be overrated, but he's a much better coach than anybody Paul has had..
The Jazz run a lot of screen plays for Williams, maybe more than any other PG in the NBA(which he's very good at)..they run a lot of hand-off plays, a lot of cutting for him, a lot of transition opportunities..
New Orleans' offense has had very, very little versatility, which gives Paul more responsibility in running and creating his offense..
Defensively, Paul is a very poor individual defender, while Williams is average..Deron easily has the advantage when it comes to individual D, his size playing a huge factor..Paul is easily exploited in the post, opponents shot 53% from the field against him in the post this year, one of the highest marks in the NBA..he was also a very poor isolation defender and was very poor at making defensive rotations last season..
Williams undoubtedly has the advantage there..
PG defense is overrated though, it doesn't have much importance..so how much does Williams' advantage here matter?..Paul is definitely the better help defender, so I would consider that to be a more valuable trait at PG than individual D would be..
With that being said, Paul is obviously at a much larger risk of being exploited, especially in the post..
So I would take Paul by a slight margin, but I could see people taking Williams for his size..
And of course head2head is bull ... it doesnt suit your argument. SO PER matters but head 2 head does not? Right ...you can't have it BOTH ways ...The fact that your reasons are wrong makes them invalid.
According to you, having a better shooting form (allegedly) makes one a better shooter, not actually making more shots than another. If that wasn't what you were trying to say, then your statement is utterly pointless.
The Nuggets series is supposed to be some undeniable evidence, yet Paul had to carry the Hornets into the playoffs and faced an far superior team.
EXCUSES
Boozer averaged over 20 points and ten rebounds against the Nuggets, Millsap played well, and the Nuggets were imploding.
What about Paul and Williams' career playoff averages? You want to fault Paul for "getting destroyed" by the Nuggets when his second best player was a worn out David West who had a bad back and bad ankle. More excuses.
Reading the same bull gets boring after a while.
Chris Paul average around 23 and 12 against the Spurs and Williams averaged 25 and 8. Paul lost in seven while Williams lost in five.
How come the better shooter in your opinion shot worse in the playoffs the past 2 seasons? Than Dwill? Well the last 2 Paul actually made it.Again, you are resting your entire argument on a single playoff series. No I am not. You are so funny above you say Dwill lucked out in 2007 by missing the Mavs ...but Paul lucked out playing the Mavs in 2008 or he would STILL be a first round virgin. Yes he was AMAZING destroying an old JKidd ...
But when faced with any real defense his numbers look quite different. What were the shooting %'s for the "better" shooter in the series he lost against a better team. Compare them to Dwill ...
And if Williams is so superior, what happened the very next series against the Lakers? He was swept and played noticeably worse. Everyone has lost to the Lakers the past 2 years ...at least Dwill lost 2 the best and not that circus show in Denver ...
Yeah, the stats must be biased as well. Who cares if Paul shoots better, passes better, scores more, rebounds more and has a far better PER? Williams is better because you say he is better, and the facts don't matter.
If you want to argue facts:
Better head 2 head
Better playoff success
Better college success
Coming off a better season ...
Last 2 years Dwill has been better ...
Nope. been arguing this since ... 2008 ...
The injury just made me more comfortable, it's close but Dwill is better ...
Two things:
I think Deron is a better, more fluid, stylish passer. (really his whole game is more stylish) but I gotta give Paul props for his Ast/TO ratio. That's one area where he excels. Deron gives it up too much trying to do crazy .
Secondly, Jerry Sloan, a guy who knows defense, tracks each Jazz player's defense according to deflections and some other weird in-house stats that generally don't get play. And along with Wes Matthews (the next Bruce Bowen), Deron led the Jazz last year in whatever metric the Jazz use to asses their individual players' defense. In addition, I was paying special attention all through the playoffs to Deron's defense and that dude is tenacious. He has another defensive gear that allows him to body people the up and utterly destroy them. Two guards, even 3's included. Dude is an awesome defender.
Funny some here love to talk about how Hakeem destroyed David in David's MVP year ...
But When fans bring up Dwill's head2head advantage over Paul it's excuse, excuse, excuse ...
Since 2008? Chris Paul was arguably the MVP of the 2008 season and best player in the NBA.
I have seen him do a credible job against Kobe ...3 years running ...
Can he stop Kobe? No. But Paul on Kobe that is 81 waiting to happen ...
I disagee with HH PG defense is important especialy when you switch a lot ...
Again, head-to-head is bull . The season is 82 games long. Why the should the better player be decided by three to four games of the season? Do you know how ing stupid that sounds?
But Dwill was eating his lunch ... head2head matters ...
Paul gets props for his run to the playoffs but the series gainst the Spurs the year before made me a dwill fan ...
I was in SA ...I saw it up close ...
What gets me about that is that in years when the Jazz have had near identical records as NOH, Hornet fan likes to say that the Jazz are a better team and that's why Deron manages to beat Paul.
But if their records are the same against everybody else, what's the difference when they play each other? Obviously, Deron owning Paul.
And their head to head stats against one another are pretty funny. I'm not going to go dig them up, but I know Deron has an advantage in most all stat columns. And it matters.
Again, PER is bull . I will let a ing computer tell me who is a better player ...How asinine DOES THAT Sound?
Is Yao Ming a better player than Dwight Howard because his head to head performance is better?
Back when Yao wasn't broken and Howard was a pup? Yes.
Again, why does head-to-head matter? Over the eighty-two game season, Paul outperforms Williams. Why put all the weight on four games out of an entire season?
Still owned him in 2009, back when Dwight was, you know, DPOY.
Is fg% bull ? Is apg bull ? Is rpg bull ? Is to% bull ? Are all the stats that show that Paul is superior (which are damn near ALL of them) bull ?
When he was healthy yes ...but thanks for proving my point.
Paul is copming off an injury and a historic playoff ass whipping ...on top of the head 2 head beatings but you and zero want to hop in the hot tub time machine when Paul was an MVP candidate?
I still thought Dwill was better then ...but gave Paul his props. But now? Dwill is better.
Is playoffs Stats and head to head bull ?
Forget 2008. Paul outplayed Williams in 09, too. , his stats are better this year, too, even though he was hurt for some of his games and played half the season. I don't have to hop in a hot tub time machine.
I give Chris Paul the benefit of the doubt. It is not as if this guy is 30 years old. He almost won MVP when he was 23 years old and still improving. He is entering his prime. If he recovers fully, he will still play like a MVP candidate.
LMAO Yao Ming better than Dwight in 2009.
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