Deron Williams
Chris Paul
I think he is kin to Hollinger.
If you want to post both players' career playoff statistics, go right ahead.
And if you don't answer my question about head-to-head matches, shut the up. Period. I'm done talking about head-to-head. You're just completely ignoring logic and reasoning just to suit your argument.
Not to call TNT definitive or anything, but remember when TNT had Chris Paul in studio and both Charles and Kenny told him to his face that they thought Deron was a better PG. lol, that was priceless.
Remember when Chris Paul outplayed Deron Williams throughout their entire NBA careers? lol that was priceless.
son that was on Charles Barkley and he changes his opinion every other day on everything.
I don't think it's very relevant to who's better. It's obvious who's better. It was hilarious. That's all.
no, can't say I do...
yea son actually it is ... Paul dominates Williams in nearly every single category, but some of you still like to cheer for the underdog. let me ask you this ... does it make YOU feel better about yourself by cheering for the underdog?
19.3 points and 10 assists per game say otherwise.
No. I asked you to look at:
Common playoff opponent analysis. They played 2 teams Spurs and Nuggets in successive years. And they paly the SAME position so I brought up head 2 head.
How is that not relevant?
If you compare Hakeem and David head 2 head.
KG and Duncan head 2 head.
Why is Paul exempt?
I brought up NBA playoff and college success 2 things that PG's ESPECIALLY COLLEGE ones have a great bearing on ...
Great PG's in NBA with at least 4 years experience:
Rondo le, 2 ECF
Billups le many Conference finals
Nash WCF 2 MVP's
Dwill WCF 2nd round twice
Paul no WCF's 1st round smashing, Choking 3-2 lead with HCA ...
But you want regular season stats and PER ...
Except head 2 head playoff and college success ...I do think Paul was better in HS though ...
Deron running away with the poll
I'd take Paul by a nose hair. But you gots need to seriously stop acting like it's not close. And Redzero you are ing re ed if you think headtohead (read: matchups) don't matter. Matchups are the only thing that matters comes playoff time. Masturbating to John Hollinger's picture while browsing bref isn't going to win you one of these
Post their career playoff averages.
Answer my question about head-to-head first.And they paly the SAME position so I brought up head 2 head.
How is that not relevant?
If you compare Hakeem and David head 2 head.
KG and Duncan head 2 head.
Why is Paul exempt?
Okay, I see how it is. Paul takes the defending champs to seven games but he chokes. Williams gets to the WCF and loses to the same team in five but doesn't choke.Great PG's in NBA with at least 4 years experience:
Rondo le, 2 ECF
Billups le many Conference finals
Nash WCF 2 MVP's
Dwill WCF 2nd round twice
Paul no WCF's 1st round smashing, Choking 3-2 lead with HCA ...
But you want regular season stats and PER ...
Your logic is astounding. Also, if go right ahead and post the Williams' game five stats against the Spurs compared to Paul's game seven stats, if you want to talk about choking.
Matchups don't mean if the Hornets and Jazz never face each other.Deron running away with the poll
I'd take Paul by a nose hair. But you gots need to seriously stop acting like it's not close. And Redzero you are ing re ed if you think headtohead (read: matchups) don't matter. Matchups are the only thing that matters comes playoff time. Masturbating to John Hollinger's picture while browsing bref isn't going to win you one of these
I think according to most NBA coaches, players, analysts and the general public, you should be asking yourself that question.
If a Deron Williams fan club breaks out in Boston, Doc Rivers just might join the group.
Well, he might after cooling off following his ejection from the Celtics' 110-97 loss in which Williams scored 22 points with 11 assists.
Earlier Monday, though, Boston's coach had nothing but praise for the Jazz's All-Star.
"I love him. He's terrific," Rivers said of Williams after a morning shootaround.
"You can't have a conversation about best point guard in the NBA (without mentioning him) — he has to be in it," Rivers continued. "He has to maybe be the first guy you talk about."
Rivers, a former NBA point guard himself, wasn't shy when it came to raving about Williams during his team's annual Utah visit.
"He does everything — he shoots the ball well, he makes great decisions, defends, he's a big guard that can post up," Rivers said in the morning. "I don't know what more you want in a point guard."
"He doesn't need the ball in his hands for 24 seconds," Rivers said. "But he can have the ball in his hands for 24 seconds, and that makes him special."
"He plays body positions as well as any guard in the league, 1, 2 or 3. Him and LeBron (James), they both do it," Rivers said. "If you get on the side of those guys, it's over, the play is over. Now you're just hoping he makes a bad decision or misses a shot, but he's getting what he wants."
"We want to pressure him," Rivers said, "but you're scared to turn him because if you turn him and he gets to the side of you then the play's over. He makes it difficult."
"I wish," the 6-foot-4 Rivers said, "I was that talented of a big point guard."
Except the Jazz were playing a fully healthy Spurs team w/o HCA while the Hornets were playing a gimpy Manu and had HCA (with 2-0 and 3-2 leads to boot). D-Will also played amazing in those WCF. The Hornets have one series win while the Jazz have 4. Wanna make the argument that D-Will had a better team? Sure, but that hurts your statistical argument severely. Put D-Will on a lackluster talent team and his stats will undoubtedly rise exponentially as well...
Oh please. Manu was fine in that series.
And Paul played amazing in the WCSF.D-Will also played amazing in those WCF.
Except it doesn't. Williams already is a worse shooter and is more turnover prone. You expect me to believe that he'll be put up the same stats as Paul with the ball in his hands more? That doesn't work out that way. Trevor Ariza got the ball more and he took a nosedive from an efficiency point of view. Monta Ellis also became less efficient when he got the ball more.The Hornets have one series win while the Jazz have 4. Wanna make the argument that D-Will had a better team? Sure, but that hurts your statistical argument severely. Put D-Will on a lackluster talent team and his stats will undoubtedly rise exponentially as well...
Players can't be that efficient by simply having the ball more. It doesn't work like that.
Pau has never outplayed Deron. Not head to head and he never got the Hornets any further than Deron lead the Jazz. Deron can play in any system or free style offense that players like CP3 or Nash plays in and thrive. He is your classic throwback PG. Whereas I saw Chauncey Billups abuse CP3, he couldn't do that to Deron. Deron is a friggen beast. This coming from a Laker fan.
I like how Lakers fans say this and act like it's unusual. I've been to multiple Lakers forums and they all love Deron Williams. That's the norm for Lakers fans, so saying "This is coming from a Lakers fan" is pointless.
It's because it's true. Your boy averages a mere 0.2 more apg game than Deron. Yet he dominates the ball more than Deron ever does.
Utah is perennially in the top 5 in assists. Can't say that about the Hornets. You take away CP3 (by making him play defense against a bigger player like Chauncey), you can take out the Hornets. Same with LeHype. In other words you can game plan for players that dominate the ball.
You guys should have traded CP3 instead of Collison to get more pieces. That's just me, I guess.
Yeah, the Hornets should trade their franchise player because a rookie had a good season. Who cares about selling tickets? Who cares about winning now? If only they kept Collison, they'd be set for the future.
And 10 assists per game are more than 9 assists per game by one assist, not .2. Oh, you're talking about this season--the one in which Paul was injured for the majority and still managed to play better when in the few games he did play. Got you.
IMO most people are choosing Williams with the fact that Paul was injured and could get hurt again in the back of their mind.
On the court, it's pretty damn even and each have their own advantages but at 100% health I'd probably give Paul the edge.
Off the court, I'd rather have Williams.
I've always liked Deron more even during the CP3 pre-injury time. And I will pick him as my point guard if I was held at gun point. And redzero is right. A good 90 percent of Lakers fans love Deron so much
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