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lol can't wait to see all of the Williams supporters try to refute this
sons even though I know SOME of you choose to simply turn the other cheek and ignore facts and stats, I decided to break it down a little easier for you anyways. I have to admit the "grassroots" type of movement on this ONE particular message board for Deron Williams is quite strong. 90% of it however is either based on pure ignorance and or one's personal dislike for Chris Paul. Regardless I have decided to make this post anyways. sons class is in session .....
Lesson #1 - Don't believe the he said, she said gibberish
Ignorant Argument #1 - "Deron Williams is so much bigger and a better defender than Chris Paul!" ... Sure Williams is bigger there is no doubt about that, but then how do you explain Paul being a MUCH better rebounder? Paul has also led the NBA in steals 3 different years and has made a reputation for himself as one of the best defensive point guards in the NBA. Paul has made both the all NBA defense 1st and 2nd teams while Williams has never even came close. But hey ... those lousy steals and defensive honors mean absolutely nothing right?? Deron didn't get any so they don't mean anything! LOL I'm more entertained by the fact that little ole 6'0 Chris Paul easily out rebounds the GIANT Deron Williams. please explain that one.
Ignorant Argument #2 - "Deron Williams is a much better shooter and scorer than Chris Paul" ... Really? how so? ... Paul has a better field goal percentage, free throw percentage, and over the last 2 seasons has had a much better 3pt percentage than Williams. Paul also scores more points while only averaging about 1 more shot attempt per game than Williams ... so he scores more points, has better shooting percentages, and only averages 1 more shot attempt per game than Williams.... but hey! Williams is so much bigger (3 inches taller) and ummm well damnit he is the best scorer ok!!! Until Williams can learn how to put up a season average of at least 20 points per game then no one should be talking about him being one of the league's best scorers.
Ignorant Argument #3 - "Deron Williams is better because the Jazz have accomplished more than the Hornets" ... The Utah Jazz have a very long history of always having stacked teams built for the playoffs. That organization has done an outstanding job of putting solid, All Star players together for at least the last 20 years. The Hornets on the other hand, well they once had Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning. Chris Paul came to New Orleans and his best scoring option on the team was David West (lol). In less than 3 years Paul helped turn West into an all star player and led the Hornets to a franchise record amount of wins in a season. Deron Williams on the other hand fit right into the classic Utah system and worked out for them just as well. This is not a knock to Williams, but imagine if Paul had the Jazz team to work with? Instead, he was stuck with David West and umm Peja? sons if we are going to judge individual players greatness by the success of their teams then I guess Derek Fisher should hands down be the best point guard in the NBA today then.
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Lesson #2 - Statistics don't lie like you do
sons its now time for some facts with stats. the stats that are in bold are obviously representing the player who is superior in that particular category.
Career Averages
Games Played: Paul 345, Williams 386
Minutes Per Game: Paul 37.3, Williams 35.3
Field Goal Percentage: Paul .473, Williams .467
3 Point Percentage: Paul .353, Williams .361
Free Throw Percentage: Paul .848, Williams .799
Rebounds Per Game: Paul 4.7, Williams 3.1
Assist Per Game: Paul 10.0, Williams 9.0
Steals Per Game: Paul 2.4, Williams 0.9
Turnovers Per Game: Paul 2.6, Williams 3.0
so sons out of those 9 major stat categories Chris Paul's numbers are better in 7 of them while Williams is better in 2. Williams has played in more games than Paul, however Paul plays in way more minutes than Williams does. Chris Paul shoots the ball better and more accurately, rebounds better, assist better, steals better, and turns the ball over less than Williams does. son these are the facts. Williams get a slight edge on Paul whenever it comes to the amount of games played, however people tend to forget that Williams also missed 14 games two years ago due to injuries as well. Also with Paul playing an average of 164 more minutes than Williams every season so far can take its toll.
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Lesson #3 - Awards and Honors do count
sons this is perhaps the most comical part of the entire argument. Many, not all, but many Williams supporters make comments such as ... "awards and honors are irrelevant! they don't count!" ... hmmm really? why do so many of you sound so damn bitter whenever saying things like that? Does it have to do with the fact that Deron has won next to nothing compared to Paul? or what about the fact that it took 5 years for Deron to FINALLY get selected by his peers and coaches to an all star team? Now sons I'm not saying that awards and honors are the ONLY way to judge a player, but you would be completely foolish to disregard them. I can also GUARANTEE you that the same exact fanboys of Williams who are saying that awards don't count would be preaching an entirely different story IF Williams actually did have some awards and honors to brag about, but since he doesn't ... they DON'T count!!! lol
Awards and Honors
Chris Paul
2003 McDonald's All American
2004-05 NCAA AP All-America (1st Team)
2005-06 NBA Rookie of the Year
2005-06 NBA All-Rookie (1st Team)
2005-06 NBA Leader in Steals
2007-08 NBA All Star (1)
2007-08 Runner up for NBA MVP
2007-08 All-NBA (1st Team)
2007-08 All-Defensive NBA (2nd Team)
2007-08 NBA Leader in Assist
2007-08 NBA Leader in Steals
2007-08 NBA Leader in Win Shares
2007-08 NBA Record of Most Consecutive Games with a Steal
2008-09 NBA All Star (2)
2008-09 All-NBA (2nd Team)
2008-09 All-Defensive NBA (1st Team)
2008-09 NBA Leader in Assist
2008-09 NBA Leader in Steals
2009-10 NBA All Star (3)
Deron Williams
2004-05 NCAA AP All-America (3rd Team)
2005-06 NBA All-Rookie (1st Team)
2007-08 All-NBA (2nd Team)
2009-10 NBA All Star (1)
2009-10 All-NBA (2nd Team)
lol can't wait to see all of the Williams supporters try to refute this
conference finals...
deron: 1
cp3: 0
When did MAKING it to the conference finals get you a championship?
I'm not going to bother reading what you have to say BR. I don't care about the stats.
IMO Deron impacts the game mopre positively for his team than CP3 not to mention injuries.
Deron > Paul
IMO...and a lot of other people's IMO...tbh
I can understand people being iffy on Paul because of his injuries and loyalty to Lebron...but STATS DONT LIE
son I know its hard for you to read and comprehend, but please refer to "Ignorant Argument #3".
LMAO ignorance is bliss ... just TURN THE OTHER CHEEK! your denial shows just how downright IGNORANT you are to the game of basketball.
I'm not going to bother reading what you have to say BR. I don't care about the stats.
IMO Deron impacts the game mopre positively for his team than CP3 not to mention injuries.
Deron > Paul
IMO...and a lot of other people's IMO...tbh
Paul has one season of injuries, yet people always forget the injury filled season Williams had a couple years ago!
So the player who is less efficient, scores fewer points, dishes out fewer assists, gets fewer rebounds, and turns the ball over more impacts the game more positively than the player who is more efficient, who scores more points, who dishes out more assists, who gets more rebounds, who shoots better, and who turns the ball over less?
I'm not going to bother reading what you have to say BR. I don't care about the stats.
IMO Deron impacts the game mopre positively for his team than CP3 not to mention injuries.
Deron > Paul
IMO...and a lot of other people's IMO...tbh
There literally is no point arguing the facts with people. Williams lucks out and faces the Warriors in the second round, and now he's a more accomplished NBA player than Chris Paul because he got to the Conference Finals.
It's actually believed in NUMEROUS NBA Front Offices that CP3 is going to need microfracture surgery lol.
Just because I don't agree with you means I'm ignorant?
Is it really so ing outrageous to pikc Deron > Paul to where you needed to start a thread and write a ing essay about it?
Good stats. Stats don't paint the whole picture. I'm not here saying Paul sucks.
I'm saying at the end of the day I'm taking Deron.
Is this so ing outrageous?
121-63
msb's gifs/images are perfect tbh
son no its not outrageous to pick Williams over Paul and I have never once stated that. I do however think it is outrageous the way MOST of you act as if Williams is the greatest point guard since Magic and is FAR superior to Paul whenever the dude has never accomplished and is dominated by Paul in nearly every stat and award category. The problem with this message board is there are many bandwagon Laker fans who jump on and off anything trendy, then you have Spurs and Mav fans who absolutely hate Chris Paul and will vote against him simply out of spite.
I don't hate Williams by any means, but I hate the ignorance of most people who don't have a clue as to what they are talking about. In my opinion the top point guards in the NBA today are Paul, Nash, and Williams ... in that order.
son you wanted FACTS, i bring you FACTS
well, that and Williams was never on the losing end of the worst playoff massacre ever witnessed...no, in fact he beat that very same Nuggets team minus the help of Okur and Kirilenko. But I guess that doesn't count for either...
It's okay to be swept but it's not okay to lose 121-63 and win one game.
son Dirk choked to the most pathetic 8th seed Warriors ... you were defending Dirk in another thread and put him above Paul. how do you justify him choking away the #1 seed to a pathetic #8 seed like that? should I even mention the 2006 finals as well? ... or what about some of these other teams with star players who have bad playoff series? Rather you ONLY mention Paul and not the fact that Williams got swept out or any other star players ing up.
CP3 gets so many bull assists per game its funny. Deron all the way bc 9of the tricep tats
Being swept by the NBA Champion LA Lakers is a lot better than losing to a team of dysfunctional thugs by damn near 60 points. Is that even debatable?
Teams are swept out of the playoffs all the time, but the Hornets will be forever immortalized as the ultimate punchline (121-63) for that drubbing.
You guys are missing the point (no pun intended)....they are both great players. Any team would be happy to have either of them...but like milkshake said, is it that outrageous to prefer D-Will over Paul (or vice-versa)? They are both great, it's personal preference...and I prefer D-Will. He's bigger,more durable, and isn't a diva
did I defend Dirk in that thread? maybe I did but I don't recall...
Paul gets bull assist? son are you sure you want to stand by that??? ... you do realize that Williams is playing in UTAH right??? ... the team that is notoriously known for giving out the most ridiculous amount of assist in NBA history. I guarantee you at least 20% of Stockton's assist are complete bull and the same can be said for Williams.
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