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    3,000 Lives lost. Two of the greatest buildings in the country collapse to rubble. Mothers and Fathers jumping. out. of. windows.
    That's a touching illustration but what does it have to do with the Muslims who would be coming to this mosque?

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    3,000 Lives lost. Two of the greatest buildings in the country collapse to rubble. Mothers and Fathers jumping. out. of. windows.

    9 years later Feisal Abdul Rauf, with the comments he has publicly made, aims to build a $100 million Mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero. This isn't a case of being a "progressive" enough country with our infinite white guilt greedy American imperialist selves shining through to feel the need to be understanding of all things in the world around us.

    Most Americans, not bigots, Americans...are just saying "Really?" You couldn't move it down a few miles?
    Most Americans are also too stupid to see why building the mosque there is exactly the right thing to do if you want to prove you're a tolerant society.

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    It's funny that Obama gets to tell us all the obvious, act like it is an actual position, and then say "but hey, I'm just telling you all this is how I feel on the subject"

    Whammmmmi!, full circle.

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    Most Americans are also too stupid to see why building the mosque there is exactly the right thing to do if you want to prove you're a tolerant society.
    No doubt an arguable point, but Feisal Abdul Rauf's comments muddy the waters a tad bit. Ultimately, New York does what New York do. Whatever. They need the property tax anyways.

    LOL @ America's never ending manufactured quest to be seen as uber-tolerant by foreigners all around the world.

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    Most Americans are also too stupid to see why building the mosque there is exactly the right thing to do if you want to prove you're a tolerant society.
    I could give a about tolerance, i'm more concerned about individual rights.

    I don't support a ban on building a Mosque, but I wont sit here and act coy and not think that the mosque is an affront to the victims families.

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    No doubt an arguable point, but Feisal Abdul Rauf's comments muddy the waters a tad bit.

    LOL @ America's never ending manufactured quest to be seen as uber-tolerant by foreigners all around the world.
    Manufactured quest? WTF does that even mean?

    If his mission is to strike a disservice (by no means do I accept this) to those who died on that day then do you not simply allow him to accomplish that by not rising above it?

    I don't understand the thoughts behind people who are upset someone is trying to offended them and then act offended.

    You know, maybe the truth is that Americans just don't realize how to deal with trolls any better than Koriwhat.

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    I could give a about tolerance, i'm more concerned about individual rights.

    I don't support a ban on building a Mosque, but I wont sit here and act coy and not think that the mosque is an affront to the victims families.
    Its an affront to some of the familys but don't act like its an affront to all of them. But I don't see why thats even the point.

    Is there anything out there that doesn't offend someone?

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    Who do we have to prove we're tolerant to??

    The people who ban burqas in public ins utions like France?

    The people who deport and ban people for speech crimes like Britian?

    The Arab population you're suggesting we should prove to who don't come with in a sniff of our concept of freedoms, tolerance, and individual rights, the beacon of a free society that has been the shining example for the world?

    that. Why must you require a shopkeeper to proves his fiscal responsibility to a beggar?

    This kind of multicultural pseudo tolerance is accomplishes the opposite of what it intends to do.

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    Is there anything out there that doesn't offend someone?
    I don't think the Taco bell chihuaha offends me to the same point like the mosque does to certain americans and the 911 families.

    I don't think you're trying to lump all offenses as relative are you??

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    How about ourselves? We either obey our own laws and live up to the image we LOVE to give ourselves of our nation or we don't.

    I mean you obviously don't support denying them the right to build thee so then why are you posting in a thread backing up those who are tearing down the president for basically saying that they have a right to build there?

    Fine, if you don't want to prove tolerance to anyone then I guess I don't really care as long as we're upholding the laws we are supposed to stand by.

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    I don't think the Taco bell chihuaha offends me to the same point like the mosque does to certain americans and the 911 families.

    I don't think you're trying to lump all offenses as relative are you??
    I'm trying to point out I don't see the relevance of anyone being offended by this. I get that some people are butt hurt over this but so what?

    What exactly does it change?

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    How about ourselves? We either obey our own laws and live up to the image we LOVE to give ourselves of our nation or we don't.

    I mean you obviously don't support denying them the right to build thee so then why are you posting in a thread backing up those who are tearing down the president for basically saying that they have a right to build there?

    Fine, if you don't want to prove tolerance to anyone then I guess I don't really care as long as we're upholding the laws we are supposed to stand by.
    Because the president repeats the lie that Islam holds the believer and infidel to the same level when it comes to legal disputes, when the Koran at best is contradictory on that point, and at worst supports the Islamist right to decieve and defraud the infidel.

    It's his whole bull of multicultural tolerance that was lumped in with individual rights, which is sickening.

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    Oh, so its the religion that bothers you. I can see now why the tolerance angle was not for you.

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    I'm trying to point out I don't see the relevance of anyone being offended by this. I get that some people are butt hurt over this but so what?

    What exactly does it change?
    manny,

    I guess becuase we have a society of individual rights and free speech, no one should ever voice their conflicting oppinion because of that.

    I guess there's no point in a friend of mine ever coming to me for advice, we live in a free country, I must sanction his stupidity by being silent.

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    No doubt an arguable point, but Feisal Abdul Rauf's comments muddy the waters a tad bit. Ultimately, New York does what New York do. Whatever. They need the property tax anyways.

    LOL @ America's never ending manufactured quest to be seen as uber-tolerant by foreigners all around the world.
    I don't give a how we're seen, I care how we are. We ain't looking so hot right now anyway.

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    my apologies.

    I don't mean that you're .

    I meant it as ! MAnny..

    LOL!

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    I don't give a how we're seen, I care how we are. We ain't looking so hot right now anyway.
    Wha?

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    I don't give a how we're seen, I care how we are. We ain't looking so hot right now anyway.
    If it's by people who are relativist and have a floating morality, i could give a .

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    manny,

    I guess becuase we have a society of individual rights and free speech, no one should ever voice their conflicting oppinion because of that.

    I guess there's no point in a friend of mine ever coming to me for advice, we live in a free country, I must sanction his stupidity by being silent.
    This isn't about voicing opinions. This is about people being upset the president won't step in and stop this or speak out against those rights.

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    Anyway, the dead horse is beat. The Mosque is going up, some people will be upset, some won't care, and the LA Galaxy are about to beat the out of the NY Red Bulls. I care more about the latter. Way more.

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    That mosque is going to take forever to build now that it's hit the MSM.

    Union boys are not going to play nice.

    Wouldn't be surprised if St. Nicholas is finished long before the CH.

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    There is no question the Muslims have the right. No doubt. It's private property. They have every right to tell every single person in the world to GFthemselves.

    We all know it is a move. Just as Obama does. That's why he gives you the generic answer that they have the right.
    This is how a feel. Of course people have the right to be a , but that doesn't make it less of a move.

    Just becuase it's a right doesnt mean you have to be one.

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    Re: 'tolerance'

    The Cons ution requires no such thing.

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    I guess I don't really care as long as we're upholding the laws we are supposed to stand by.
    I don't see any reason to bring illegal immigration into this topic.

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    Re: 'tolerance'

    The Cons ution requires no such thing.
    freedom of speech, religion, association requires that those freedoms be tolerated.

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