Will Obama ever stop blaming Bush?

[Wild Cobra]

And you feel that's the truth for everybody? You feel that all people everywhere, born by no fault of their own into ty socio-economic situations, should pay the cost of society's or their parent's mistakes? Don't believe everything you know; get over your own anecdote.

The case for anyone needing subsidies long term should be rare. Not normal. The acceptance of long term social welfare is a serious breakdown in the fabric of society.

[Wild Cobra]

You can't say you want to eliminate food stamps and then act like only do-nothings fall through the cracks when the safety net is removed. The fact that you can't see that a lot of people covered by it are good people is astounding to me.

But I don't want to eliminate social programs. I just don't want it to be a lifestyle.

[baseline bum]

EDIT: Forget it, another topic

[baseline bum]

Then why do you say you want to eliminate food stamps?

[balli]

The acceptance of long term social welfare is a serious breakdown in the fabric of society.

Damn right. So get capitalism to generate some economic engines (besides drugs) in utterly third world American neighborhoods. Or accept the mitigating welfare that you don't want to.

[Wild Cobra]

Then why do you say you want to eliminate food stamps?

Now the cuts we need are the handouts. When we cannot afford them, we stop subsidizing the poor who are capable of working. Reduce or eliminate things like food stamps. Make people go back to work, even if they don't like minimum wage jobs. make it impossible for illegals to work, opening up these jobs at fast food restaurants and other places.

Did I have a clear context with this?

No.

I don't have a solid gameplan except that we have too many people who rely on social programs that are capable of supporting themselves, if they would.

"Reduce or eliminate things like" does not necessarily mean to eliminate it for all cases now, does it.

What is your reading comprehension level anyway? 4th grade?

[baseline bum]

Eliminating food stamps only makes sense in some fantasy world where everyone who works gets lots of hours and makes good money, where cost of living and cost of raising a child aren't large, or where you can stay in a low-income neighborhood and not have to worry about your kids being raised by gangs because you're working two jobs to pay basic expenses like rent, food, transportation, clothing, and utilities.

[Wild Cobra]

Damn right. So get capitalism to generate some economic engines (besides drugs) in utterly third world American neighborhoods. Or accept the mitigating welfare that you don't want to.

Stop taxing the out of productivity and stop giving it to the unproductive. Businesses will boom, and people will have jobs. Stop allowing the illegal immigrants working at jobs Americans don't want, and make the supply and demand pricing work for wages. Places will have to pay more money until they have the workforce they need.

Everything is connected. Stop unlimited subsidies and take the noose off the free market.

[Wild Cobra]

Eliminating food stamps only makes sense in some fantasy world where everyone who works gets lots of hours and makes good money, where cost of living and cost of raising a child aren't large, or where you can stay in a low-income neighborhood and not have to worry about your kids being raised by gangs because you're working two jobs to pay basic expenses like rent, food, transportation, clothing, and utilities.

Maybe the hard facts that you shouldn't have children until you can afford them will set in.

[baseline bum]

Did I have a clear context with this?

No.

I don't have a solid gameplan except that we have too many people who rely on social programs that are capable of supporting themselves, if they would.

"Reduce or eliminate things like" does not necessarily mean to eliminate it for all cases now, does it.

What is your reading comprehension level anyway? 4th grade?

Then why did you use the word eliminate? Surely someone with 4th grade writing skills wouldn't write about eliminating a program he doesn't want eliminated.

[baseline bum]

Maybe the hard facts that you shouldn't have children until you can afford them will set in.

I forgot that unforeseen hardships don't happen in your fantasy world. That there are no deadbeat dads who talk the talk but don't walk the walk. There are no parents who get sick, seriously injured, or killed after having kids. Nobody ever has their job shipped to India or replaced by someone in China, never to come back and therefore forcing them into something low-wage.

[Wild Cobra]

Then why did you use the word eliminate? Surely someone with 4th grade writing skills wouldn't write about eliminating a program he doesn't want eliminated.

"OR eliminate things like."

That does the word "or" mean?

What does "things like" mean?

The way I made the sentence, is "foodstamps" exclusive?

no.

Again. What is your reading comprehension level?

You lost this argument long ago. The more you keep it up, the more you flaunt your stupidity.

Look...

I have no problems with a wide variety of social programs for short term help of people and families in need. The only long term social programs acceptable to me are for the disabled and elderly. We need to promote the idea to children that they are responsible for their own actions. If they know they will not have such long term safety nets, teen and young woman birth rates will decrease. Let kids know that having a child while not being able to support one amounts to child abuse. As it stands now, we have teens getting pregnant just to get the government to pay for them to live away from home. It has definitely gone too far when that happens.

[Wild Cobra]

I forgot that unforeseen hardships don't happen in your fantasy world. That there are no deadbeat dads who talk the talk but don't walk the walk. There are no parents who get sick, seriously injured, or killed after having kids. Nobody ever has their job shipped to India or replaced by someone in China, never to come back and therefore forcing them into something low-wage.

Bull .

I've had several setbacks in my life. I just step up to the plate, and deal with it.

[baseline bum]

You lost this argument long ago. The more you keep it up, the more you flaunt your stupidity.

Congrats on the win!

[baseline bum]

"OR eliminate things like."

That does the word "or" mean?

What does "things like" mean?

The way I made the sentence, is "foodstamps" exclusive?

no.

Spoken like a true politician. I don't want to eliminate foodstamps even though I brought them up as an example of a program that should possibly be eliminated.

[spursncowboys]

So SC, tell me how successful WC would have been had he starved without government assistance.

You really think his, and my, mom would starve if not for govt. assistance? That the only thing that will save people is the machine style govt atm that i guess gives out money with pity?

[spursncowboys]

I forgot that unforeseen hardships don't happen in your fantasy world. That there are no deadbeat dads who talk the talk but don't walk the walk. There are no parents who get sick, seriously injured, or killed after having kids. Nobody ever has their job shipped to India or replaced by someone in China, never to come back and therefore forcing them into something low-wage.

why does your govt. help just mean pity?

[boutons_deux]

Removing unemployment payments, WHICH AREN'T WELFARE HANDOUTS but paid-for unemployment insurance payouts...

How much do Feds pay out in pure welfare payments?