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    Well I personally don't see anything wrong with this law in particular. It doesn't stand out to me as an unjust law that needs to be changed like the whole gay marriage thing it California. My only point in this thread is that if you clearly go against a law if you don't get punished for it what's the point of having the law.

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    My only point in this thread is that if you clearly go against a law if you don't get punished for it what's the point of having the law.
    Then your position should be that Udonis Haslem gets a free pass and that the law should be changed. Exactly: what's the point of having the law?

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    Then your position should be that Udonis Haslem gets a free pass and that the law should be changed. Exactly: what's the point of having the law?
    I don't see why you'd get a free pass for breaking the law no matter who you are.

    The whole issue on if the law should be changed or not is a whole different subject. However as long as it is a law I think people should be punished for breaking it.

    This may just be my mentality going to take the police test in about a year but that's just how I feel.

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    This may just be my mentality going to take the police test in about a year but that's just how I feel.
    Please tell me you aren't going for SLPD. If you live in or are going to be a cop in another state or in the county somewhere, I guess that's okay, but boy, the SLPD already has enough cops who refuse to see shades of gray.

    And a course on the importance of civic disobedience would serve you well. Maybe not as a cop, but as a human being.

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    I'm reading that it was 20 grams, but that he'll be charged with a third degree felony.

    I just looked it up and if it's 20 grams or less, it's still a misdemeanor. Only if it's over 20 grams is it a third degree felony. So if it's exactly 20 grams, should still be a misdemeanor.

    And the law says a maximum of 5 years in prison but I didn't read a minimum sentence. Don't think prison is a foregone conclusion, and with the lawyers he'll get to represent him, it's probably unlikely.

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    Please tell me you aren't going for SLPD. If you live in or are going to be a cop in another state or in the county somewhere, I guess that's okay, but boy, the SLPD already has enough cops who refuse to see shades of gray.

    And a course on the importance of civic disobedience would serve you well. Maybe not as a cop, but as a human being.
    Haha no not the SLPD sry to disappoint you.

    Yea and I'm all for standing up for what you believe in but I just don't really believe in this particular cause at all. I've never done weed and my friends aren't weed heads. So it really hasn't been an important topic in my life at all. So either way if the Law is in affect or not it really doesn't make my life any different.

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    So either way if the Law is in affect or not it really doesn't make my life any different.
    That's not really true. I'm not going to suggest that you get some perspective by trying something you aren't interested in; to each his own.

    But the fact that an innocuous substance is relegated to the black market and put in the hands of criminal interests affects you more than you probably know. Whether it's the creation of harmful crime (which is solely on prohibitionists) or the incredible waste of YOUR tax monies on a futile pursuit, or the fact that good people are being utterly destroyed in the name of said futility, those things all matter and they do make your life different than it otherwise would be.

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    I'm reading that it was 20 grams, but that he'll be charged with a third degree felony.

    I just looked it up and if it's 20 grams or less, it's still a misdemeanor. Only if it's over 20 grams is it a third degree felony. So if it's exactly 20 grams, should still be a misdemeanor.

    And the law says a maximum of 5 years in prison but I didn't read a minimum sentence. Don't think prison is a foregone conclusion, and with the lawyers he'll get to represent him, it's probably unlikely.
    He won't get but a slap on the wrist. It's heartbreaking that they could potentially steal five years of this mans life over nothing though. Makes me feel sorry for the otherwise good people who can't afford a legal team.

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    I'm reading that it was 20 grams, but that he'll be charged with a third degree felony.

    I just looked it up and if it's 20 grams or less, it's still a misdemeanor. Only if it's over 20 grams is it a third degree felony. So if it's exactly 20 grams, should still be a misdemeanor.

    And the law says a maximum of 5 years in prison but I didn't read a minimum sentence. Don't think prison is a foregone conclusion, and with the lawyers he'll get to represent him, it's probably unlikely.
    but what will it it be for nba


    this is huge because heat need him
    no him no big

    stern needs to suspend him atleast 10 games more like 50

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    but what will it it be for nba


    this is huge because heat need him
    no him no big
    Again, he'll get a slap on the wrist.

    And again, it's heartbreaking that the NBA and all professional sports don't care so much about their athlete's utilizing marijuana, but keeping up the public image, that they don't.

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    That's not really true. I'm not going to suggest that you get some perspective by trying something you aren't interested in; to each his own.

    But the fact that an innocuous substance is relegated to the black market and put in the hands of criminal interests affects you more than you probably know. Whether it's the creation of harmful crime (which is solely on prohibitionists) or the incredible waste of YOUR tax monies on a futile pursuit, or the fact that good people are being utterly destroyed in the name of said futility, those things all matter and they do make your life different than it otherwise would be.
    Good points. I'll definitely look into the whole debate when I have the time.

    But on a side note I still won't feel sorry for Haslem if he's out for the season because it's your responsibility to your team not to put yourself in that position.

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    he is kind of a no name player no a super star in the nba
    I think stern will punish him

    now if was james that got caught instead.......

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    he is kind of a no name player no a super star in the nba
    I think stern will punish him

    now if was james that got caught instead.......
    Nike Dunk tape part 2?

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    Good points. I'll definitely look into the whole debate when I have the time.

    But on a side note I still won't feel sorry for Haslem if he's out for the season because it's your responsibility to your team not to put yourself in that position.
    I can agree that's it's stupid to get busted and I have no idea what the details of Haslem's arrest are, but you're right, he had a professional obligation to remain free from criminal charges.

    I'm sorry I said, ' you'. Have a good night. Keep an open mind.

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    I can agree that's it's stupid to get busted and I have no idea what the details of Haslem's arrest are, but you're right, he had a professional obligation to remain free from criminal charges.

    I'm sorry I said, ' you'. Have a good night. Keep an open mind.
    Haha no problem

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    I'm reading that it was 20 grams, but that he'll be charged with a third degree felony.

    I just looked it up and if it's 20 grams or less, it's still a misdemeanor. Only if it's over 20 grams is it a third degree felony. So if it's exactly 20 grams, should still be a misdemeanor.

    And the law says a maximum of 5 years in prison but I didn't read a minimum sentence. Don't think prison is a foregone conclusion, and with the lawyers he'll get to represent him, it's probably unlikely.
    Is that Florida state law or are you looking at the federal laws, because unless he was transporting it across state lines, then it falls under Florida jurisdiction which might have their own penalty classes.

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    there's nothing wrong with weed ......

    shows you how money hungry this country can be.

    Alcohol = man made drug that creates drunk driving; also man comes home drunk and beats his kids and wife. Legal.

    Weed = God made plant that creates a mellow feeling, makes you hungry, used for medicinal purposes and normally puts you to sleep. Illegal.

    You don't hear too many dudes coming home and beating their wives after being lit.
    Blew my mind. No joke I never thought of it like that lol

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    I am a lover of the drink and both kinds of smoke, but everyone should be honest with themselves...none of it should be legal. It just is what it is. We tried to ban alcohol and that didnt turn out so well. As of now, our government is attempting to "crack down on drugs" and they couldnt realistically legalize it during their "fight". That would be losing face, not saving it. It is easier with alcohol and cigs at the moment, considering they have been legal for many years;but do not think that there are some trying to change that as well. Mary will be legal one day, just not today. Once again, lets face facts by saying that Marijuana can be inebriating as well,...perhaps just not to the extent that alcohol can be. But both are an ugly thing in the wrong persons hands. Its not the substance, but the people who abuse them. Moderation my friends, moderation.

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    Its going to legal for recreational use in cali next year.. so get out there and VOTE this November!!!

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    That's not really true. I'm not going to suggest that you get some perspective by trying something you aren't interested in; to each his own.

    But the fact that an innocuous substance is relegated to the black market and put in the hands of criminal interests affects you more than you probably know. Whether it's the creation of harmful crime (which is solely on prohibitionists) or the incredible waste of YOUR tax monies on a futile pursuit, or the fact that good people are being utterly destroyed in the name of said futility, those things all matter and they do make your life different than it otherwise would be.
    Which is exactly why alcohol was legalized again...

    BTW, to say that marijuana is innocuous is completely false. Though not on the same level as alcohol, it is still a mind altering substance. Also, the drunks who go home and beat their families, are most likely already inbalanced to begin with. Again, I am a lover of the drink and the smoke, but I do so at home where I am the only person in danger of my inebriation. I truly say this because when I was 18 I had a serious car crash due to being blazed outta my mind. My point being, is that anything can be abused in the wrong hands...especially any type of mind altering substances. When Mary is legalized it will be taxed out the ass and the THC levels will most definately be regulated. You will most certainly see a carton of the marijuana cigs in your lifetime being sold...but, it wont stop the hard core stoners to seek bigger and better . Just my dos of the centos.

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    there's nothing wrong with weed ......

    shows you how money hungry this country can be.

    Alcohol = man made drug that creates drunk driving; also man comes home drunk and beats his kids and wife. Legal.

    Weed = God made plant that creates a mellow feeling, makes you hungry, used for medicinal purposes and normally puts you to sleep. Illegal.

    You don't hear too many dudes coming home and beating their wives after being lit.
    you should be bolded already for this post...

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    <3 weed

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    there's nothing wrong with weed ......

    shows you how money hungry this country can be.

    Alcohol = man made drug that creates drunk driving; also man comes home drunk and beats his kids and wife. Legal.

    Weed = God made plant that creates a mellow feeling, makes you hungry, used for medicinal purposes and normally puts you to sleep. Illegal.

    You don't hear too many dudes coming home and beating their wives after being lit.
    Although we are a money hungry nation, the government would actually make more $ once weed is legalized due to their regulations and how they will tax it.

    I do support the legalization of weed(besides personal reasons, an economic stimuli would be a +) or the illegalization of alcohol(of which would suck), but I am also realistic about the cir stances. We try to make far too many excuses for marijuana and try to condemn alcohol because of it. Its the people who abuse these things that are the problem, not the alcohol & not the weed. Everyone should open their minds to both sides and see the facts, not just personal judgements based on their own preference of poison. If anyone wants me to debate the "pros" I can do that too. Just dont make rash judgements or condemn to quickly, there are shades of grey to all sides.



    I should have added all those posts together...would have made more sense....


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    Again, he'll get a slap on the wrist.

    And again, it's heartbreaking that the NBA and all professional sports don't care so much about their athlete's utilizing marijuana, but keeping up the public image, that they don't.
    it is kind of heartbreaking that the NBA and all sports don't care much, if they want good images they would do something to the players like suspend them for half the season.

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    The police found the weed after 3 checks, once even with a drug dog, which failed. They found less than 20 grams of weed, whichshould be the first "offense" for Haslem so he would be on probation.

    This could very well be racial profiling. Young black man with braids like Haslem with a good car. Great, let us search his ass. Maybe the drug was also planted, who knows.

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