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    Unless you are going to take a position there is really no point in commenting on it like Obama did. Stupid political move to try and pass the empty generic answer. As President, he doesn't even need to comment on this situation if he doesn't want to.
    Last edited by EmptyMan; 08-16-2010 at 06:52 PM.

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    It's easy to understand. Lefty dems want to yell racist any chance they get towards the repugs.

    You take some white redneck from Texas that wants to fly his confederate flag on his car, the lefty dems calls that person a ing racist pig. He might be. You take a muslim, who supports muslim terrorist and he wants to build a mosque on ground zero you hear all about freedom of speech, religion, etc, from these left dems. That's the crazy .

    If I get bored I may take a peek at what a few of you s said about the kids who wore american flag shirts on cinco de mayo. Goddamn troublemakers!

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    It's easy to understand. Lefty dems want to yell racist any chance they get towards the repugs.
    Much harder to understand is why Red team (and Red team fellow-travelers) win the prize for it around here.

    Pity party much?

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    It's easy to understand. Lefty dems want to yell racist any chance they get towards the repugs.
    I wasn't aware DarrinS was a lefty dem.

    You take some white redneck from Texas that wants to fly his confederate flag on his car, the lefty dems calls that person a ing racist pig. He might be. You take a muslim, who supports muslim terrorist and he wants to build a mosque on ground zero you hear all about freedom of speech, religion, etc, from these left dems. That's the crazy .
    There's a difference between thinking someone is racist, and arguing whether or not they're allowed to be racist.

    If I get bored I may take a peek at what a few of you s said about the kids who wore american flag shirts on cinco de mayo. Goddamn troublemakers!
    Feel free.

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    Ground Zero Mosque is the new Death Panels, or Gay Marriage, or Taking Over Health Care.

    Jack and other American sheeple fall for right-wing lies every damn time.
    This is what happens when you have a so-called "marketplace of ideas." Ideology is marketed just as products are. There is a lot of money to be made in broadcasting these lies. Unfortunately, the truth has no sponsor.

    The GZM "controversy" is very disturbing. It seems we've lost our way as a nation, and we're very deep into the wilderness.

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    The GZM "controversy" is very disturbing. It seems we've lost our way as a nation, and we're very deep into the wilderness.
    Very disturbing.

    I don't think you can call left dems patriots.

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    "Lefty dems want to yell racist any chance they get towards the repugs."

    Repugs are the party of haves, the rich, the establishment. The rich don't want their taxes (what little they pay) to go to poor blacks and browns and white trash. The entire anti-tax strategy is starve the govt to screw over the Welfare Queens (as St Ronnie so racistly denigrated them, always a fiction)

    Since Nixon/A er, they been race-baiting, racist, Southern Strategy, etc, etc. No blacks vote for them, no blacks in their Congress, and a disastrous Uncle Tom as RNC chairman in blatant, transparent response to Magic Negro gettiing elected., as in "hey, we racist Repugs can do blacks, too."

    Repugs made that stinky, filthy racist bed, so learn to lie in it.

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    Very disturbing.

    I don't think you can call left dems patriots.
    so democrats aren't patriots now because they like to practice what they preach? i.e. Tolerance

    Honestly, on the one hand its good that idiots like you exist in the US. It really puts things in perspective when having to deal with the idiocy down here. Its quite comforting to know first world nations have jackasses too.

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    "Lefty dems want to yell racist any chance they get towards the repugs."

    Repugs are the party of haves, the rich, the establishment. The rich don't want their taxes (what little they pay) to go to poor blacks and browns and white trash. The entire anti-tax strategy is starve the govt to screw over the Welfare Queens (as St Ronnie so racistly denigrated them, always a fiction)

    Since Nixon/A er, they been race-baiting, racist, Southern Strategy, etc, etc. No blacks vote for them, no blacks in their Congress, and a disastrous Uncle Tom as RNC chairman in blatant, transparent response to Magic Negro gettiing elected., as in "hey, we racist Repugs can do blacks, too."

    Repugs made that stinky, filthy racist bed, so learn to lie in it.
    If you had a brain you would take it out and play with it, like you do
    with other things.

    You might just want to find out a little more about the America you are
    so quick to be critical of. Of course your Communist handlers wont
    allow that. But just for grins, stupid, look up who passed the Civil
    Right Laws here in the U.S. It damn sure wasn't the Dimm-0-craps.

    Also you might want to look up what party Lincoln belonged to, he wasn't
    a Dimm-o-crap either.

    But stupid is as stupid is.

    Don't you ever get tired of being wrong.

    You remind me of a "budding" scientist from your part of the world
    who told us we were doomed unless we changed our way of living.
    He used to brag about how much carbon he was saving. It made
    me feel so good I would go out and fire up both my cars and let them
    run for an hour or two just to pollute.

    Hey WildCobra you remember that idiot of which I speak?

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    "Lefty dems want to yell racist any chance they get towards the repugs."

    Repugs are the party of haves, the rich, the establishment. The rich don't want their taxes (what little they pay) to go to poor blacks and browns and white trash. The entire anti-tax strategy is starve the govt to screw over the Welfare Queens (as St Ronnie so racistly denigrated them, always a fiction)

    Since Nixon/A er, they been race-baiting, racist, Southern Strategy, etc, etc. No blacks vote for them, no blacks in their Congress, and a disastrous Uncle Tom as RNC chairman in blatant, transparent response to Magic Negro gettiing elected., as in "hey, we racist Repugs can do blacks, too."

    Repugs made that stinky, filthy racist bed, so learn to lie in it.
    Look out! There's a "Repug" behind the hedge.

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    Here's something interesting I just read...did you know there are Strip Clubs just blocks from Ground Zero...yet where is the outrage from the Republican party about that...with their family values...where is there moral outrage...so it's okay to have strip clubs at ground zero...but upholding the Cons ution is out of the question...hmmmmm...hmmmmm....

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    This issue is ridiculous. It is not illegal, and they have every right to do so and that is the American way!!
    Conservatives cry about upholding the Cons ution and then about this. Newt can kiss my brown American ass.

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    Here's something interesting I just read...did you know there are Strip Clubs just blocks from Ground Zero...yet where is the outrage from the Republican party about that...with their family values...where is there moral outrage...so it's okay to have strip clubs at ground zero...but upholding the Cons ution is out of the question...hmmmmm...hmmmmm....
    Exactly, but then seeing T&A has been the American way since day one.
    And there is already and has been a Muslim place of worship and gathering closer to ground zero since before 911. Get over it people.

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    Very disturbing.

    I don't think you can call left dems patriots.
    How do you figure? Defending religious freedom makes you a lefty Dem now? Or unpatriotic?

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    M. Zuhdi Jasser on the Mosque & Religious Freedom

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ryn-jean-lopez



    The former U.S. Navy officer, medical doctor, and Muslim responds to President Obama:


    Mr. President this is not about religious freedom. It is about the importance of the World Trade Center site to the psyche of the American People. It is about a blatant attack on our sovereignty by people whose ideology ultimately demands the elimination of our way of life. While Imam Faisal Rauf may not share their violent tendencies he does seem to share a belief that Islamic structures are a political statement and even Ground Zero should be looked upon through the lens of political Islam and not a solely American one.

    As a Muslim desperate to reform his faith, your remarks take us backwards from the day that my faith will come into modernity. I do not stand to eliminate Imam Rauf’s religious freedom; I stand to make sure that my children’s religious freedom will be determined by the liberty guaranteed in the American Cons ution and not by clerics or leaders who are apologists for shar’iah law and will tell me what religious freedom is.

    ‘Park 51′, ‘The Cordoba House’ or whatever they are calling it today should not be built, not because it is not their right to do it – but because it is not right to do it.” Mr. President, your involvement in this issue is divisive not uniting. Your follow-up stating that ‘you will not speak to the wisdom of the construction of that mosque and center’ indicates a passive-aggressive meddling on your part that only marginalizes those Muslim and non-Muslim voices against it while pretending to understand both sides of the debate.

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    People can spin this to make themselves feel better but it still boils down to a dislike or hatred of a particular religion. It is very simple. They say Obama wants to have it both ways well that is exactly what those against the Muslim religious center want too.
    Oh, we support the rights of the people under the Cons ution...BUT....

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    IMHO, he is wrong.

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    If the person putting up this mosque is so backwards, wouldn't the best medicine to let him open it up, and hope that modern Muslims attend?

    And besides, conservatives should be hoping like heck that this thing opens... after all, it should be a one-stop shopping center to find terrorists, right?

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    I reject the idea that the President should not speak on controversial or divisive matters.

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    http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.a...ion=2&id=21980



    US President Barack Obama adopted a difficult position when he supported the building of a mosque near ground zero, where 3,000 US citizens died at the hands of Al-Qaeda terrorists on 11 September 2001.

    Despite the fact that the president adopted the correct stance in principle, i.e. the principle of freedom of worship, in my opinion he adopted an unnecessary and unimportant stance, even as far as Muslims are concerned. The mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they are not bothered by its construction.

    This reminds us of another principled stance Obama took when he insisted on putting the Guantanamo prisoners accused of belonging to Al-Qaeda on trial before civilian courts, and on closing down the military prison. It is true that this stance deserves appreciation. However, the fact is that he fought a battle that does not concern Muslims across the world, because there are tens of thousands of Muslims - similar to those accused of extremism - who are imprisoned in worse conditions in Muslim countries.

    Muslims do not aspire for a mosque next to the 11 September cemetery, and are not bothered with Bin Ladin's cook being put on trial in a civilian court. Muslims have issues that encroach upon the destinies of nations; these issues are the cause of isolation and calamity, such as the establishment of the State of Palestine. For Obama to focus his energy and efforts, and fight for the establishment of peace in the Middle East is more important and more valuable than a mosque in New York.

    The fact is that building a mosque next to the site of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, which were destroyed during the 11 September attacks, is a strange story. This is because the mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they have not heard of it until the shouting became loud between the supporters and the objectors, which is mostly an argument between non-Muslim US citizens!

    Neither did the Muslims ask for a single building, nor do the angry Muslims want the mosque. This is one of the few times when the two opposing sides are in agreement. Nevertheless, the dispute has escalated, and has reached the front pages of the press and the major television programs, demonstrations have been staged in the streets, and large posters have been hung on buses roaming the streets of New York calling for preventing the building of the mosque and reminding the people of the 11 September crime. It really is a strange battle!

    I cannot imagine that Muslims want a mosque on this particular site, because it will be turned into an arena for promoters of hatred, and a symbol of those who committed the crime. At the same time, there are no practicing Muslims in the district who need a place of worship, because it is indeed a commercial district. Is there a side that is committed to this mosque? The fact is that in the news reports there are names linked to this project that costs 100 million dollars!

    The sides enthusiastic for building the mosque might be building companies, architect houses, or politicized groups that want suitable investments?! I do not know whether the building applicant wants a mosque whose aim is reconciliation, or he is an investor who wants quick profits. This is because the idea of the mosque specifically next to the destruction is not at all a clever deed. The last thing Muslims want today is to build just a religious center out of defiance to the others, or a symbolic mosque that people visit as a museum next to a cemetery.

    What the US citizens do not understand is that the battle against the 11 September terrorists is a Muslim battle, and not theirs, and this battle still is ablaze in more than 20 Muslim countries. Some Muslims will consider that building a mosque on this site immortalizes and commemorates what was done by the terrorists who committed their crime in the name of Islam. I do not think that the majority of Muslims want to build a symbol or a worship place that tomorrow might become a place about which the terrorists and their Muslim followers boast, and which will become a shrine for Islam haters whose aim is to turn the public opinion against Islam. This is what has started to happen now; they claim that there is a mosque being built over the corpses of 3,000 killed US citizens, who were buried alive by people chanting God is great, which is the same call that will be heard from the mosque.

    It is the wrong battle, because originally there was no mosque in order to rebuild it, and there are no practicing Muslims who want a place in which to worship.

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    Rights > Opinion

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    I wasn't aware that Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid spoke for all Muslims in New York city.

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    They definitely need more mosques in that area.

    Look for yourself. I can't believe they've been denied a place to freely worship in that area.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=UTF-8...ed=0CDwQtQMwBg

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    Look for yourself. I can't believe they've been denied a place to freely worship in that area.
    We don't do that, Darrin. Does that bum you out? If not, why are you crying about this?

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    Is there anything that would be too provacative to build in that area?

    Perhaps a couple of 100-story minarets?

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