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Yes...Kobe hasn't done it. And I would call him a "great" player. It helps...but it isn't a must.
Does every truly great player have to have this on their resume?..I'm not talking about both awards throughout a career, I'm talking about winning both awards in the same season..
Duncan in 2003, Shaq in 2000, Jordan multiple times, Hakeem in 1994, Magic in 1987, Bird multiple times, Kareem multiple times, Wilt in 1967, Russell multiple times..
Those are all considered to be top 10 players by facts, accolades and logic..
To me, having this represents pure dominance throughout the entire year of basketball..dominating the league during the regular season, standing out as the best player of that season, and following it up with dominance during the playoffs, where it matters the most..
Can you truly be on this level without having this accomplishment on your resume?..
Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 08-17-2010 at 05:51 PM.
Yes...Kobe hasn't done it. And I would call him a "great" player. It helps...but it isn't a must.
By great player, I mean on the level of those guys that I named..I should have elaborated..I consider guys like Malone(s), Robinson and others to be "great" as well, I wouldn't put them on that level though..
yes it's a must
Kobe was so close to getting MVP, a Finals MVP and a Gold Medal in one season.
So Hakeem is in the same level as Jordan and Bird.....mmmmkay
By "that level", I meant within the elite top 9, I'm not adding sub-levels here, Laker fan..discuss the topic..
you said those guys you named...and i see you named Hakeem.
Regular season MVP is a laughable media acknowledgement that no one takes seriously anymore after Nash/Dirk deprecated all over it.
Kinda interesting that each position in the NBA has won the MVP + Finals MVP in the same season. Thats some truly elite talent and one of a rare career landmark for your legacy.
If the media starts siding towards Durant, LeBron may never have such bragging rights either.
All the guys on this list won MVP before this happened..
It's unfortunate that Lebron will never win another MVP or even one Finals MVP. oh well.
It's certainly possible..even a dominant player like Lebron may never have the honor of achieving this, which speaks on how tough it is..
the last regular season mvp to take home the championship was duncan. kind of amazing no one else could do it since then.
All the guys on your list will be remembered as a lesser player than Kobe Bryant when it's all said in done.All the guys on this list won MVP before this happened
So your thread is moot.
Also Iverson winning a MVP
So you don't think this accomplishment is extremely impressive?..All the guys on your list will be remembered as a lesser player than Kobe Bryant when it's all said in done.
So your thread is moot.
Also Iverson winning a MVP
Moses Malone, 1983
Willis Reed, 1970
Moses is a top 10 player or very close to it also, but while Reed is a great HOFer in his own right, I wouldn't put him in the class of the above names.
And technically, Russell and Chamberlain never did it, as the Finals MVP wasn't awarded until the 1969 Finals. It's a safe assumption that Russell would have won multiple Finals MVPs in his 5 league MVPs seasons. Wilt would have probably won the 1967 Finals MVP but it's not a certainty. Hal Greer could have been awarded that Finals MVP.
It's a provocative question though. Seems like a pretty rare feat and done almost only the greats of the greats. I will say this though, that only represents one season. Being able to win league MVP and Finals MVP in the same season is a huge accomplishment but it still only represents that one season. Doing it multiple times is a better gauge of true elite greatness. Doing it once but being only very good the rest of one's career can happen as well. Willis Reed was amazing, and maybe if he stayed healthy and played longer he might be in the discussion as a top 10 player, but the fact that he did it and isn't what I feel in the same company as the other names, I think it's more just a really amazing feat but not necessarily a requisite for that top of the line greatness, particularly if the player only did it once.
i wonder if Duncan would like to trade in his 2003 regular season MVP award for back 2 back (2002, 2003) les....hmmmm
Hakeem's was the most impressive since he also won a DPOY.
But your premise is re ed as the MVP award has been a joke the last decade.
Nice edit by the way
Kobe will be remember as a great sidekick to Shaq and PauAll the guys on your list will be remembered as a lesser player than Kobe Bryant when it's all said in done.
So your thread is moot.
Also Iverson winning a MVP
Regular season MVP means jack .
Everyone knows Kobe was the best player in the league in '05/'06, but because he played on a god awful team he wasn't considered.
Hakeem was better than Jordan in his prime.
Duncan 2 MVPS, 3 Finals MVPS
Kobe will need 1 more FInal's MVP to be on Duncan and Shaq's level. until then, he's just not on their level. MVP has relevence when you're arguing Shaq or Tim, who have had similar careers in terms of accomplishments. when it comes to the greats no one cares about how manyt hey own in the passengers seat.
this next year sort of reminds me of '07 with Miami forming their trio. Everybody thought the Spurs would continue there dominance, then LA got Gasol, and that changed. however, what seperates this year from that is that Kobe is in his prime still, basically. Duncan was starting to fade when LA got Gasol. So Kobe has A LOT more to lose if Miami takes the NBA over these next five years (which is very possible).
People love to twist the "Kobe is old and declining" vs. "Kobe is still in his prime" angle to suit an argument.
At the beginning of the 2007-08 season, Tim Duncan:
31 years and 6 months old
10 NBA seasons
746 regular season games
138 playoff games
At the beginning of the 2010-11 season, Kobe Bryant:
32 years and 2 months old
14 NBA seasons
1021 regular season games
198 playoff games
So why exactly does Kobe have more to lose based on him still being "in his prime" but Duncan apparently "starting to fade" in 2007?
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