MVP + Finals MVP..

[picc84]

You post that and call someone else childish? LOL
Defend duncan he is one of the best big men i have ever seen but no need to get hostile ...

His name is fk la.

[cobbler]

Comparing the Duncan/Robinson duo to Kobe/Shaq or even Kobe/Gasol is beyond stupid...99' is really the only year where Robinson was still somewhat dominant. In 2000 Duncan was out for the playoffs with his knee injury, and by 2001 D-Rob's back problems had caught up with him making him a s of his former self. Kobe's robin Gasol, or in Shaq's case batman, were in their prime when they were paired with Kobe. No comparison at all.

So you are saying the soft ass pussy that you all were calling Gasoft in 2008 was better than Robinson in 99? Or are you talking MVPau? Oh wait, that opinion changes relative to the particular Kobe argument. My bad!

[HarlemHeat37]

Can we move this discussion to the Kobe thread, please?..

This is a discussion for players that have achieved this incredible feat, Kobe hasn't done it, let's move on..I'll be happy to discuss the rest in the Kobe thread..

[Killakobe81]

Can we move this discussion to the Kobe thread, please?..

This is a discussion for players that have achieved this incredible feat, Kobe hasn't done it, let's move on..I'll be happy to discuss the rest in the Kobe thread..

no offense but you started this thread, you knew who would bite ..so don't play all high and mighty now. Raise the bar.

[ezau]

1a.Those players werent there in 99'.
2a.Manu was an inconsistant rookie in 03', Parker was an even more inconsistant sop re that got benched in favor of Speedy ing Claxton in numerous 4th quarters during that 03' run.
3a.Shaq is an all-time great, as much as I love Manu/TP they arent.

1b.lol @ Kobe being a primary defender...Fox, Ariza, Artest, and even Devean ing George have almost always guarded the opposing team's best perimeter player. Alot of Kobe's all-defense nods are BS.
2b.double lol @ Duncan having less offensive responsibility than Kobe...the Spurs offense was Tim Duncan before Manu and Tony developed son, it was let him go to work or shoot out of the double/triple teams. The fact that Kobe scored more points means jack as to who actually had the bigger impact offensively.
3b.triple ing lol @ Duncan not being the anchor of the Spurs defense...Bruce is great but the Spurs were a great defensive team before him. The only constant from 99'-07' before the Spurs dropped off was Tim ing Duncan.

The other arguments are even more ing re ed...comparing an egotistical volume shooting 2-guards 60 and 80 pt games to a big man who has been the epitome of team player? Get Kobe's balls out of your mouth son, come on. Thats like me bringing up 20 rebound games or 5 block games or some . ing childish.

Laker fan probably forgets Timmy's almost quadruple double in the 2003 NBA Finals

[HarlemHeat37]

I didn't mention Kobe's name at all until others discussed him..this thread was made to discuss this feat, nothing else..not every thread has to be about Kobe, there's a thread for Kobe-related topics..

[Koolaid_Man]

Can we move this discussion to the Kobe thread, please?..

This is a discussion for players that have achieved this incredible feat, Kobe hasn't done it, let's move on..I'll be happy to discuss the rest in the Kobe thread..

Give me my basketball I'm going home.

or

that's my ball dogg don't touch my . Get your own ball.

or

I'll be back next week Koolaid and I'm gone have my boys with me

Harlot Ho you're classic. Keep your ass up man.

[FkLA]

i like how you ignored the part where I said Duncan HAD accomplished more and if franchise impact is considred he may get the nod ... LOL

1. - If that is ALL you think kobe has on duncan then there is no point in us going further plus it has been stated by Laker fans on here ad nauseum.
2. - Yes duncan has not had as much help as Kobe but name ONE Spurs squad of the duncan era that was as ty as the Lakers from 05-07 ... waiting ....

Look thing i hate about this debate is that you have to knock one great player to praise another so i will not do that to duncan (like many on here) I have too much respect for his game to do that.

But duncan has ALWAYS had a future HOF'er at coach and even an old as Avery johnson is light years better than Smush parker and and one kidney Sean elliott is the far better former wildcat than Luke "purple shorts" Walton. just keep that in mind in this debate.

We never saw duncan with a team does duncan get credit for that ABSOLUTELY. But don't be a hypocrite. when people point o kobe's rings you say well had had Shaq and Gasol ...but when you point out Kobe missed a playoff or lost in the 1st round you don't point to one of the tiest lakers supporting since i started watching lakers ball in the 80's

Who was Bruce Bowen before he came to SA and had one of the best defensive big man behind him? Before he had Duncan to draw double/triple teams and get him those open corner 3s? Stephen Jackson couldnt even stay in the league before 03'. Rasho Nesterovic? Nazr Mohammed? Fabricio Oberto? Malik Rose? Speedy Claxton? Derek Anderson? Mario Elie? They arent horrible but Duncan had nothing special as far as supporting casts go, atleast not until Tony and Manu developed into all-stars. Which wasnt until about 2005.

I also love how Laker fans always bring up guys like Smush and Kwame or Mihm. By the way Mihm put up pretty much the same numbers during those years as Robinson did in his last few yrs in SA. He also had Caron and Odom though, two solid players which are always overlooked in order to mention those other lesser guys. Thats like me ignoring D-Rob and Elliott in 99' and mentioning guys like Jerome Kersey and Samaki Walker or something.

[You post that and call someone else childish? LOL
Defend duncan he is one of the best big men i have ever seen but no need to get hostile ...

No hostility. Just calling out how idiotic his argument is. Dude seems to think scoring somehow equates to being a better overall player.

[cobbler]

Can we move this discussion to the Kobe thread, please?..

This is a discussion for players that have achieved this incredible feat, Kobe hasn't done it, let's move on..I'll be happy to discuss the rest in the Kobe thread..

- Duncan did choke for 2 and a half quarters, it's pretty well-publicized..he was criticized for the entire series for not playing up to his standard, and he was criticized and told he had to step up, even during game 7, where he struggled through the first 2 and a half..

The difference is that Duncan pretty much took over the game when the Spurs made their big run during the end of the 3rd quarter..after the Pistons took a 9-point lead, the Spurs caught up, took the lead, and pretty much never looked back..Duncan went 6-12 and led the way for the entire run during that time(Manu too, obviously)..

He took over when his team needed it, which is the only reason it wasn't labeled a choke job, he stepped up when it mattered..he did struggle for the first 2 and a half quarters though, everybody said this at the time..

- Kobe didn't really do that..he struggled from the beginning until the end of the game..Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher had to ask him to stop shooting and control himself IIRC..he was 1-4 in the 4th, and struggled in the 3rd too..the difference was that Kobe stopped shooting as much as he did in the 1st half, which helped the Lakers, but obviously not something you would expect from your superstar..he never stood out at any point of the game from an offensive standpoint, unlike Duncan, who took over the entire 2nd half of the 3rd to the end of the game, which turned out to be the most important part of that game 7..

- Kobe is known as one of the best scorers of all-time, while Duncan is a very good/great scorer, but never a dominant one, so there's more of an emphasis on scoring with Kobe IMO..it's more surprising to see Kobe struggling to score than it would seeing Duncan struggling to score(especially since Duncan's defensive compe ion was better, too)..while Duncan should have been criticized for his struggles, and he certainly was, his stronger suits have always been other parts of the game..

The hypocrisy never ends! I commend you on your dilligence!

[HarlemHeat37]

The hypocrisy never ends! I commend you on your dilligence!

I didn't mention Kobe's name at all until others discussed him..this thread was made to discuss this feat, nothing else..not every thread has to be about Kobe, there's a thread for Kobe-related topics..

Raise the bar, please..if you want a medal one day, you'll take my advice..move it along..

[Killakobe81]

Who was Bruce Bowen before he came to SA and had one of the best defensive big man behind him? Before he had Duncan to draw double/triple teams and get him those open corner 3s? Stephen Jackson couldnt even stay in the league before 03'. Rasho Nesterovic? Nazr Mohammed? Fabricio Oberto? Malik Rose? Speedy Claxton? Derek Anderson? Mario Elie? They arent horrible but Duncan had nothing special as far as supporting casts go, atleast not until Tony and Manu developed into all-stars. Which wasnt until about 2005.

I also love how Laker fans always bring up guys like Smush and Kwame or Mihm. By the way Mihm put up pretty much the same numbers during those years as Robinson did in his last few yrs in SA. He also had Caron and Odom though, two solid players which are always overlooked in order to mention those other lesser guys. Thats like me ignoring D-Rob and Elliott in 99' and mentioning guys like Jerome Kersey and Samaki Walker or something.



No hostility. Just calling out how idiotic his argument is. Dude seems to think scoring somehow equates to being a better overall player.

Bowen was good defender (though ty corner 3) guy BEFORE he got to SA ...Duncan didnt make him a good defender...but tim did anchor behind him and gets props for that.

I pointed out smush and Luke to compare 2 starters on Tim's first le teams to the two players AT THE SAME POSITION when Kobe lost in the first round (smush was not on team that missed playoffs, my mistake)

Odom and butler are good players not great i would ttake Manu over Odom and Parker over Caron but i love tough juice but let's be real here ...

[FkLA]

So you are saying the soft ass pussy that you all were calling Gasoft in 2008 was better than Robinson in 99? Or are you talking MVPau? Oh wait, that opinion changes relative to the particular Kobe argument. My bad!

Well lets be honest, I love him, but D-Rob would never have been mistaken for being a pitbull. He wasnt quite Gasoft soft but you get the point. Main point though is Gaysoft is in his prime, Robinson wasnt.Not even close actually other than in 99' and even than this was already's Duncan's team. By 2001 his back problems had made him a s of his former self. No comparison really, even after taking into account how gay Gaysoft is.

[Killakobe81]

Raise the bar, please..if you want a medal one day, you'll take my advice..move it along..

Ok me medalboy
just saying i know you are not stupid. Blinded by Kobe hate ...but far from stupid.

[FkLA]

Bowen was godd defender thogh ty corner 3 guy BEFORE he got to SA ...

I pointed out smuch and Luke to compare 2 starters on Tim's first ke teams to the two players AT THE SAME POSITION when Kobe lost in the first round (smuch was not on team that missed playoffs my mistake)

Odom and butler are good players not great i would ttake Manu over Odom and Parker over Caron but i love tough juice but let's be real here ...

Compare them to 2003 Manu and Parker. Not very far off if at all. Yet the results for both those teams were drastically different.

Again Manu was an inconsistant rookie. Parker was an even more inconsistant sop re that if you go back and watch that 03' run can see that he got benched in favor of Speedy Claxton in numerous 4th quarters of crucial games.

[cobbler]

I didn't mention Kobe's name at all until others discussed him..this thread was made to discuss this feat, nothing else..not every thread has to be about Kobe, there's a thread for Kobe-related topics..

Come on Harlem... do you honestly think you are that clever? Are you honestly going to sit there and insult everyones intelligence with your TBH charade? You started this thread with the intention to troll Laker and Kobe fans. It's quite hillarious if you actually think you are not transparent to all. I would imagine you have more Kobe related posts than most the Laker fans combined. How sad...

[cobbler]

Raise the bar, please..if you want a medal one day, you'll take my advice..move it along..

I have a medal. A real one, thank you!

[Killakobe81]

Compare them to 2003 Manu and Parker. Not very far off if at all.

Again Manu was an inconsistant rookie. Parker was an even more inconsistant sop re that if you go back and watch that 03' run can see that he got benched in favor of Speedy Claxton in numerous 4th quarters of crucial games.

I understand. but we had Lamar and Caron learning the triangle at that time (along with smuch and Luke as starters) neither one are none for their high basketball IQ's ...

Again i will not sit here and discredit duncan. kobe maybe egotistical but to say his "ball-hogging" is "all he has on duncan" is biased and fololish. At the very least any knowledgable bball fan would admit it's a strong debate ...

[cobbler]

Well lets be honest, I love him, but D-Rob would never have been mistaken for being a pitbull. He wasnt quite Gasoft soft but you get the point. Main point though is Gaysoft is in his prime, Robinson wasnt.Not even close actually other than in 99' and even than this was already's Duncan's team. By 2001 his back problems had made him a s of his former self. No comparison really, even after taking into account how gay Gaysoft is.

I get your point and I have nothing but respect for DRob. I just find it funny how one year Gasol is a puss and worthless and the next he's the MVP cause that diminishes Kobe accomplishments somehow.

[FkLA]

I understand. but we had Lamar and Caron learning the triangle at that time (along with smuch and Luke as starters) neither one are none for their high basketball IQ's ...

Again i will not sit here and discredit duncan.

Manu was a rookie, who spent about half of that regular season on the sidelines with an ankle injury. Parker was a sop re, foreign PG. Pretty sure they didnt know the Spurs system like the back of their hands either.

Not trying to discredit Kobe either, Im just trying to understand in what sense he is greater than Duncan? I get that he has more individual talent and that he was a more explosive scorer, but as far having a bigger impact on the game I dont get how a Laker fan can sit there and say Kobe > Duncan.

[FkLA]

I get your point and I have nothing but respect for DRob. I just find it funny how one year Gasol is a puss and worthless and the next he's the MVP cause that diminishes Kobe accomplishments somehow.

Eh its always fun to poke fun at Gasol, he's an easy target. Truth is he isnt as bad as the people that call him a pussy. Or as good as people that call him the Lakers MVP. Top 3 big man and maybe Top 10-20 player in the league seems about right. I understand where youre coming from though, the flip-flopping youre referring to definitely does occur.

[HarlemHeat37]

Come on Harlem... do you honestly think you are that clever? Are you honestly going to sit there and insult everyones intelligence with your TBH charade? You started this thread with the intention to troll Laker and Kobe fans. It's quite hillarious if you actually think you are not transparent to all. I would imagine you have more Kobe related posts than most the Laker fans combined. How sad...

I made this thread with the intention of discussing this feat..apparently you have the ability to read minds, so you have your own theory as to why I made this thread..please take this discussion elsewhere, I'm trying to discuss basketball here..

[HarlemHeat37]

I have a medal. A real one, thank you!

If you want a SpursTalk medal****..obviously..

I have an Olympic medal in real life too..I prefer my ST medal..

[Koolaid_Man]

Gotdamn you, Kool. Kori, lock this thread, Kool just nutted in they face.

See what the Spur fans don't realize is I do this for them. Duncan's place in history mustn't be denied.

As previously I just think of how great Duncan could have been had Kobe stayed in Charlotte. Kobe rewrote the history books at the expense of Duncan's legacy. Duncan could have been front page news for the ages, but now the will be on the index page.

[Koolaid_Man]

I made this thread with the intention of discussing this feat..apparently you have the ability to read minds, so you have your own theory as to why I made this thread..please take this discussion elsewhere, I'm trying to discuss basketball here..

Raise the bar...no doubt. How bout a Popovich commitment to never publicly declare his fear and run or hide from the Lakers. I say that's a pretty swell place to start.

[cobbler]

I made this thread with the intention of discussing this feat..apparently you have the ability to read minds, so you have your own theory as to why I made this thread..please take this discussion elsewhere, I'm trying to discuss basketball here..

Like I said, you are very transparent.