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No desire for a spurstalk medal. Never would have noticed them had you not brought it up numerous times. Enjoy.
So lets see your real life olympic medal. What for? What games?
solid rebuttal sonexcuse me was you saying something?sounds like you're trying to reverse engineer a math problem.
post clips of kobe's amazing and incredible 81 while youre at it to prove how much greater than duncan he is, ill start if off
Theres a fine line...team accomplishments can be taken into account. Not without weighting in certain factors though cause all supporting casts arent created equal are they? This is like comparing NC winning 5 finals fours and and comparing it Gonzaga winning 4. What feat is more impressive, all things considered?
A historic program known for winning, that gets all the big name players, that everyone loves? Or a small-time school with a great system making noise? I'll take the latter as more impressive but thats just me.
No desire for a spurstalk medal. Never would have noticed them had you not brought it up numerous times. Enjoy.
So lets see your real life olympic medal. What for? What games?
That's the main thing that I can't accept either. Come on Laker fans, Kobe>Duncan? Give me a ing break.
All of harlem's medals are "special" ....
just teasing ...
Let's see ...
Spur fan: I just dont get it it's obvious ...duncan>kobe
Laker fan: Kobe had 81 ... and put his nuts all in Duncan's face on a dunk!!!
BBall fan: It's a great debate ...kobe has more rings, but duncan accomplished more Kobe is the better scorer but duncan maybe a better team-mate .... That is a healthy debate
Which feat would you consider more impressive? This is regarding the rings argument.Theres a fine line...team accomplishments can be taken into account. Not without weighting in certain factors though cause all supporting casts arent created equal are they? This is like comparing NC winning 5 finals fours and and comparing it Gonzaga winning 4. What feat is more impressive, all things considered?
A historic program known for winning, that gets all the big name players, that everyone loves? Or a small-time school with a great system making noise? I'll take the latter as more impressive but thats just me.
Regarding the individual argument--hes not just a better teammate. He also had a significantly bigger impact defensively. And a bigger impact offensively despite being a less explosive scorer. The Spurs offense depended more on Duncan than the Lakers offense depended on Kobe. I get it Kobe is great, and its not a horrible comparison, but at the end of the day 10 times out 10 Duncan at his peak > Kobe at his peak all bias aside.
Wow, bro..Gobbler has an actual medal in a "special" way..using that as an insult to me is spitting in his face and ting on everything that man has accomplished in life..that's very insulting to him, very rude IMO..raise it..
solid rebuttal son
post clips of kobe's amazing and incredible 81 while youre at it, ill start if off
Theres a fine line...team accomplishments can be taken into account. Not without weighting in certain factors though cause all supporting casts arent created equal are they? This is like comparing NC winning 5 finals fours and and comparing it Gonzaga winning 4. What feat is more impressive, all things considered?
A historic program known for winning, that gets all the big name players, that everyone loves? Or a small-time school with a great system making noise? I'll take the latter as more impressive but thats just me.
Ok Let me end the arguement right here and now once for all time...All my Laker brothers with me? Here it goes...
As an individual Kobe has more NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS the San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks combined. As a global icon Kobe is more popular than all the NBA Teams from Texas combined.
Tim Duncan has an estimated net worth of $75 million
Kobe Bryant has an estimated net worth of $140 million
Man I'm tired of kicking ass. I'm done. enough is enough Koolaid...
15 rebounds by kobe is way overrated by these lakers fans. Was he doing something extra special that he normally doesn't do? Probably not. I think a ass load of ball bounced his way.
You are a idiot. All this means nothing.Ok Let me end the arguement right here and now once for all time...All my Laker brothers with me? Here it goes...
As an individual Kobe has more NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS the San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks combined. As a global icon Kobe is more popular than all the NBA Teams from Texas combined.
Tim Duncan has an estimated net worth of $75 million
Kobe Bryant has an estimated net worth of $140 million
Man I'm tired of kicking ass. I'm done. enough is enough Koolaid...
Like clockwork:
Dude, why do I troll you so much you ask...
Raise the bar, please..if you want a medal one day, you'll take my advice..move it along..
It's simple. You think because of your God damned medal you are way above every other poster here. That's arrogance and few people respect you, and you brought it on yourself. Now, to top it off, you are trying to tell people what to talk about in this thread. , you tell people what to do all the time. You're just another fan that comes to an NBA message board. Chill out.
Yeah, I baited you. You didn't think you could be beaten in an argument and that's what happened. you gave up when the facts flew. The proof to all is in my signature. If your topic gets hijacked, chill out. You'll give yourself a coronary. Look, it eats you alive Kobe has 5 rings, no matter how he got them. Live with it. Duncan has 4, he happily lives with those.
Oh yeah, I have a gold medal too representing Team USA in compe ion among North and South America and other Pacific nations across the ocean. I can prove mine for the proper wager.
Not insulting to me at all. I have nothing to do with the special olympics. Fine organization and humanatarian effort but the "special" olympics and the paralympics are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum.
Your ignorance followed repeatedly by moronic comments like the above make you look childish TBH...
Every person on this board has done nothing but show me respect for my basketball achievements. You are the only one to try to make light of it... just you!
... but that's the ass you are and we all know!
Ok Let me end the arguement right here and now once for all time...All my Laker brothers with me? Here it goes...
As an individual Kobe has more NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS the San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks combined. As a global icon Kobe is more popular than all the NBA Teams from Texas combined.
Tim Duncan has an estimated net worth of $75 million
Kobe Bryant has an estimated net worth of $140 million
Man I'm tired of kicking ass. I'm done. enough is enough Koolaid...
Kobe career high: 81
Duncan career high: 53
lol duncan
Well, if anyone whould know about an ass loaded with balls... I imagine it would be you so touchee!
I realize there's a difference between being mentally disabled and physically disabled..however, using the word "special" to describe it can be qualified as either IMO, since neither of them is your standard Olympic event..Not insulting to me at all. I have nothing to do with the special olympics. Fine organization and humanatarian effort but the "special" olympics and the paralympics are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum.
Your ignorance followed repeatedly by moronic comments like the above make you look childish TBH...
Every person on this board has done nothing but show me respect for my basketball achievements. You are the only one to try to make light of it... just you!
... but that's the ass you are and we all know!
I've given you credit for your medal before too, so don't play that..the fact that I gave you credit for it, despite the fact that you haven't shown us any proof, speaks volumes on my character..show me some proof Gobbler, at least I can prove to you that I have my ST medal..
not even a flinch
lol
Really Harlem? The very thread you are talking about... i showed everyone here with photos and you know it. I was asked... and I complied. And your so called credit went along the lines... Congrats on your achievement but its not like its real basketball. Sad sad sad
I'm legitimately elevating the conversation based off numerical data empirical evidence. This is way bigger than Kobe v. Duncan... it's Kobe v. San Antonio Franchise...it's even Kobe v. The State of Texas...If I'm not mistaken Kobe has been to the Finals 7 times while San Antonio, Dallas, and Houston combined have been 7 times. So the new question is who's the greatest Kobe vs. The Field.
Check out this play-off stat:
Kobe v Rockets 3-1
Kobe v Spurs 4-2
Kobe v Mavs 0-0 ( Mavs Never Made It)
overall Kobe beats Texas 7-3 vs
Hey Kobe...you're looking UP at me.
Hey Karl, nice suit! But Tim Duncan still is the best PF to ever play the game.
Last edited by Man In Black; 08-19-2010 at 02:00 AM.
You say this thread has nothing to do with Kobe, yet the topic has Kobe written all over it since he hasn't accomplished this feat. Russell's stock has risen in recent years. Back then, all time greats (top 10) were looked at more for their scoring. Chamberlain was the consensus GOAT when he left the game, miles ahead of Russell. Then along came:
Kareem: 6 Rings
Magic: 5 Rings
Bird: 3 Rings
Jordan: 6 rings.
Now, this decade we saw Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan reach 4 rings and there was an article last year who would get to 5 first.
All of a sudden as players collect rings, people look back and see Russell with 11. That's when he got noticed. Well, he won those in a league where he just needed to win two playoff series, and he usually had home court advantage and had a stacked team compared to what everyone else fielded.
Since this thread is about being an all time great, look at top scorers like Elvin Hayes with 1 ring, and Karl Malone with none. Yet no one places them on any top 10 list.
Most of you didn't see Russell play. I did. He was great, but not as great as you think. For as much as critics put down Chamberlain for being a big man in a small league, same can be said of Russell. Mikan is an all time great, but I question that. The key was smaller, he was bigger than everyone and he shot about 40%. The game has evolved since then. Perhaps I am wrong about Russell, I don't care. I just know what I know. He is valued more today by people who never saw him play than he was by the people who did see him.
That's not the point. Any top 10 list is subjective. Criteria is never agreed upon. Fairest way to rank players is how the NBA did awhile back. Top 50 players after 50 years. No GOAT. List needs updating.
This isn't a response to this quote, just a message to you.
You can throw out number if you want the facts are kobe has played on teams with way more talent than Duncan and only has one more ring than him. Kobe/Lakers also has benefited from the officials and Duncan/Spurs haven't.
Kobe vs. Duncan Break down: 10pt scale
Kobe-Off.9.7,Def.8.8,Leadership 8.5
Duncan-Off.9.1,Def.9.6,Leadership 9.9
Only reason Kobe has more rings is teammates and officials. Duncan is a better player at a more important position.
Defense wasn't valued as much back then as it is today. Visiting teams usually elected to play the second half facing their own basket so the coach could conduct the offense when the game was on the line. Jerry Sloan played in that era and stuck with it as a coach. Watch the Jazz on the road, you'll see. So, I can see another reason Russell gets more exposure, now those Celtics teams played defense. I don't place much value on les over 30-40 years ago, the game has changed so much. Too bad the internet wasn't around back then, it's hard to find all the basketball opinions of those days.
This is bull . The NBA had lots of players taller that Bill Russell. At 6'9" he wasn't a giant of a man. But he came to play, he knew his role definitively and played it like every game would be his last. His penchant for good defense, and tenacity for rebounds are what carry over. That's why it took Jerry West so, so, so long to get his 1st le. People think that in a day of nutrition and better training techniques that players today are BETTER than players of yesteryear. I disagree. If you could wreck shop then, if you were inserted in today's game, you could still wreck shop. I've long advocated that Tim Duncan is a throwback player, a guy whose game can be played at any point in basketball history and still be dominant. The same goes for Bean. In fact, In the Finals half-time feature, Bean himself said it, "There ain't nothing that you've seen from me, that I didn't take from someone else.For as much as critics put down Chamberlain for being a big man in a small league, same can be said of Russell.
This jump shot move is pure Elgin Baylor." Or something to that effect.
I saw Russell play on film, I've watched whole games on film. He was every bit beastly as KG was when KG beat LA in 09. But he did that to the tune of 11 les, while going through the LAL for most of them. This quote pretty much tells you his mindset.
So again...I call bull .1965: Elgin Baylor's knee freaking exploded in Game 1 of the Western Division Finals against the Baltimore Bullets. This effectively eliminated any chance the Lakers had of beating the Celtics in the Finals. But those plucky can-doers tried anyway. And failed.
The Lakers avoided a sweep by winning Game 4, and the L.A. crowd showed their stay and sophistication by pelting Red Auerbach with cigars. Way to stay classy, Los Angeles. Their team's reward was a 126-96 mercy killing at the Garden in Game 5. Boston beat the Lakers so badly that Bill Russell almost cried. "We were not just beating this team. We were destroying it. It was my worst moment in sports. There was the horror of destruction, not the joy of winning. We knew — and did not know — we sensed, and did not completely comprehend, that we had taken sports out of the realm of the game." Wow. I guess sometimes winning hurts.
Duncan has had a bigger impact than Kobe overall. Kobe might be the more talented player, but Duncan is more skilled.
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