The problem for Rudy, if he wants to go back in Europe, is that he will have to clear waivers after being waived by Blazers.
More than 15 teams have enough a cap space or a trade exception big enough to claim him form waivers. I can easily see one of these teams claiming Fernandez form waivers even if he wishes to go back in Spain. It's a damn goo gamble to make.
The less worst best solution for Portland is to trade him even if they don't get a great return for him.
Bruno answered your question in the post above yours. Before any buyout can be finalized, the player must clear waivers. Rudy is on the books for 1.25M in 2010-11 with a team option for 2.2M in 2011-12. Some team will take the gamble to claim him at that price and try to convince him that he can fit in their system.
V-Span was on the books for 2M that season and had sucked as a rookie. He cleared waivers with no problems.
from Jonathan Givony (draftexpress)
this.For the record, I still think Rudy Fernandez could be a VERY useful NBA player. Shame NBA fans haven't gotten to see everything he can do.
2010-08-19 09:11:10
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/twitter.php#ixzz0x3uNXaAj
that's why I've been writing all those posts that made me look like his father or agent.
I'm sure a lot of people (including me) will agree with you that Rudy is a major talent. He was amazing in Europe in 07-08 and during his NBA rookie season in 08-09.
The problem, when it comes about him as a Spur, isn't the talent. Rudy wants to leave Portland because he doesn't get enough minutes, doesn't take enough shots and the system doesn't fit him. What will change for him is he end up in SA: more minutes? more shoots? a better system? Not really... IMO, Rudy has a good chance of being as unhappy with Spurs than he is with Blazers
if Rudy is only happy if he got 35 MPG and 15 shots a game, then yes, this role he won't find with the Spurs either. (this doesn't say he couldn't play such a role on an average team and be successful. much like Kevin Martin for example)
but I think his role with the Spurs could be a little bit more satisfying than what he played in Portland last season. he wouldn't get more minutes (he would take the role and minutes of Mason, plus a few more minutes and shots from the pool), but the Spurs offense is much more balanced than the Blazers, were all goes through Roy (who is on court pretty much permanently, minus some garbage minutes) and then Aldridge and where his limited spot up shooter role he even had to share with Webster.
even Mason's role with the Spurs, with Mason as the much less skilled player, was much more versatile than what Rudy had to play in Portland.
so yes, Rudy would likely get a role that gives him a better chance to use his whole skill set with the Spurs.
just a wild guess. he would play 24 minutes, get 8-9 shots per game (4 threes) and he would average 11-12 PPG. again, I don't know if that's what he is looking for, as he won't be the star of the team. but this role is clearly more prominent than his role in Portland.
I don't like Rudy's at ude (even if Portland did treat him unfairly or broke a promise). He could have handled things better.
But the Spurs should definitely make an offer. Rudy could easily start here at SG along side TP and that would be fantastic. Talent wise he would fit easily. Maybe playing alongside Manu & TP could help him as well.
He's an incredible talent. I don't know what happened between him and Portland, but when a girl has herpes, you don't ask her where she got it; you just don't sleep with her.
Ok, about this girl, how hot is she?
if the Blazers balk on this offer, they are complete morons. Chandler is a very nice compensation for Rudy.http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/kni...rudy-fernandez
The Knicks are among the teams trying to acquire the Spanish shooting guard, and they have offered Wilson Chandler.
(ok, they now have a lot of options at the wing, but Chandler would be their best perimeter defender)
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I would still go with Batum as their best defender...But yes, I agree, if this is indeed the offer from the knicks, the blazers just need to except and move on.
Honestly? With all of the noise he's making about going back to Europe, he probably will. He'll be a RFA next summer, and will want to get paid. That's also when the owners are going to lock out the players. You think Rudy's going to wait out a work stoppage?
Any team that acquires him needs to look at him as a one year rental.
Not the Knicks...Rudy Fernandez would all of sudden find himself a pretty happy guy playing for D'Antoni, getting lots of minutes and shots. He also is not an RFA next year, he has one more option year left. That means he will be cheap for another year while the Knicks make their run after Carmelo, and then they can overpay him on an extension the following year (assuming the new CBA does not have a hard cap preventing too many overpaid players).
The Chandler for Fernandez offer is a pretty good deal for both sides...the Knicks are going to all of a sudden have no need for SF's when Carmelo is traded or signs there, and the Blazers will have taken a big step in trying to build a club using the Khan Model...an entire starting lineup at one position.
I recognize that I typify idiotic and moronic low post counters by even suggesting this, but isn't it a shame that the Spurs committed too much to their presumed starting SF for the next three years, to even realistically think that they could get involved in a three way trade involving Fernandez, Chandler, and whatever the Spurs would reasonably offer Portland that Portland would be willing to take.
Forgive me,that was silly...Portland never accepts reasonable offers.
Portland has a history of holding onto their prospects when they could be moved collectively for allstar talent. Imagine what Outlaw and Websiter would have fetched 2 years ago verses what they have now. I think the problem is they do not want to pay for allstar talent and hope one of the younglings will become a Roy and still allow them to pay them on the cheap.
Blazer lost track a bit, when turning from rebuilding/youngster team to PO team.
(blame a lot to what happened with Oden). now they have a building block in Roy and Aldridge, which is nice, but won't deliver a championship.
I guess they once more try to find out what Oden can deliver this season. if he finally can stay healthy, a front court of him and Aldridge still looks like a pretty good idea. if they see they can never really count on him, they will try to turn young talent into an established star.
money isn't the issue there, they already increased their pay roll to lux tax territory again (after being significantly under the cap last year) and I think one of the reasons to re sign Camby to a pretty high contract was to produce a high salary as filler for trades.
however, I do think they would now do a trade of two or three talents for an all star, if there is an offer. two years ago they thought Roy, Aldridge and Oden are the core and the many young players they had would develop into good role players.
Player is still young, can't blame him for wanting to play with more minutes in Europe. The guy probably needs to play with passion or not at all.
Spurs don't really have playing time to give him.
Nor do the Spurs have anything to trade.
Nice to get the player, but its just not in the cards.
Nope, year four, the year after next for Rudy, isn't an option, it's a qualifying offer to keep him restricted within the NBA, but he IS a free agent after year three, or, this coming season. That's exactly how Josh Childress left the Hawks and went to Greece.
I'm 99% sure that he's going back to Europe for at least a season during the work stoppage unless someone trades for him and gets him extended for stupid money before the new CBA kicks in.
Rudy will not be an RFA next summer. Assuming that he plays in the NBA in 2010-11, he will either be under contract for one more year in 2011-12 or he will be an unrestricted FA.
Rudy is entering the third season of his rookie scale contract. The team that holds his rights has until Oct 31, 2010 to exercise the 4th year team option on his contract. If exercised, Rudy will be under contract for 2.18M for the 2011-12 season and could possibly be an RFA in the summer of 2012. If the team option is not exercised, Rudy will be an unrestricted FA in the summer of 2011.
much like Spain Rudy didn't have the most successful WC. on the other hand, he did remind the GMs on several occasions what a fantastic shooter he can be. from midrange as well as downtown. so there will be offers. but I really wonder what the Blazers expect. if true that they turned down the offer of Wilson Chandler, they are asking for a lot. (which is ok of course, any GM needs to at least try and I'm pretty sure Cho wanted to wait how Rudy performs at the WC). yes, they didn't really need Chandler (with Batum and Babbitt) and preferred a pick, (which the Knicks don't have).http://www.portlandtribune.com/sport...35740812447600
Behind the scenes, Cho continues work on accommodating Rudy Fernandez’s trade request. The first-year GM has some options, and I’m getting the feeling he might pull the trigger on something before camp. Wes Matthews is the new backup to Brandon Roy at shooting guard, and Fernandez’s appearance (or non-appearance) at camp could prove to be a distraction nobody needs.
what about a 3 teams deal? Spurs 2011 pick to Blazers, Rudy to Knicks and Chandler to Spurs? (with some fillers to make the numbers work)
if the Blazers still have been in trade talks with other teams, this will end it.Rudy Fernandez: I don't want to play in NBA anymore; will ask for release to return to Spain with family.
http://twitter.com/blazerbanter/statuses/25719758820
(reportedly Rudy has balked at a trade to NO last week)
too bad. I liked the idea of Rudy playing in NY for D'Antony.
He's turned into Vaginitis Spandex's emo brother.
The blazers have offcially screwed themself out of any compensation for this guy..I believe teams were offering 1st rd picks for Fernandez and the blazers were turning them down. I am not sure why any team would offer them anything for Fernandez cause the blazers have lost all leverage in trading him. This would have felt alot better if Pritchard was still there but oh well...
Yup. They totally misread the situation. I think they had no idea how much he wanted out. , they usually dump their complementary talent before extension time anyway (Outlaw, Frye, Webster). Why not ship him out one year early? He's not going to play hard for them, even if they do force the issue and refuse to trade or release him.
Thank god Manu didn't have a vagina like this guy and Spanoulis.
How can the Blazers still carry this guy on their team when his heart is not into it?
If I'm Paul Allen and Rich Cho I'd release his ass on the spot.
Unbelievable...
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