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May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
So an omni-benevolent being would physically abuse somebody because that person didn't do what said being wanted them to do?
That seems like something a human would do, not an all knowing, all loving, all powerful en y.
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Last edited by xXx; 08-20-2010 at 02:00 PM.
what's wrong with this concept is that a God of that sort who is willing to let humans develop free will would not care to inject himself on personal matters.
I don't think God has a viewpoint on progressive taxation, states rights, abortion, the death penalty, global warming, etc.
There was a lot of stuff that was going on back then besides slavery, that doesn't mean jesus felt the need to comment on it. If he would have, the christian church would have been involved in political matters, would have been obligated to revolt and usurp the world govts from it's inception. But that didn't happen till Christianity spread and Constantine brought it to become a state ins ution.
The passages are in the Bible, and the Bible is supposed to be God's word, so...
LOL. Do you call all black people chillun?
People latch on to the "all loving" aspect of God and conveniently forget His just nature. Just because He gives humans free will does NOT mean we are exempt from consequences from Him.
, y'all have me sounding like a ing preacher up in here. I hate the offseason
That doesn't mean anything there. Just because there was a reference in there doesn't mean that God approved and ins uted for human application. The egyptians didn't pop out into existence once numbers and exodus was written.
Bigzax calls black men "boys".
Why should an all loving being discipline someone? Should it love that person regardless?People latch on to the "all loving" aspect of God and conveniently forget His just nature. Just because He gives humans free will does NOT mean we are exempt from consequences from Him.
, y'all have me sounding like a ing preacher up in here. I hate the offseason
Punishment is not an all loving an act.
That's actually something that pisses me off. The Bible is referred to as "God's Word," but it's no secret that the words were still penned by man, and man is extremely fallable. I prefer to say the Bible was "inspired" or "ordained" by God, but anything that's been touched by humans is inherently fallable.
I believe the Bible, I trust in it's truth, but let's not elevate a book to magical status here.
Why is it in the Bible then if it serves no purpose?That doesn't mean anything there. Just because there was a reference in there doesn't mean that God approved and ins uted for human application. The egyptians didn't pop out into existence once numbers and exodus was written.
That's impertinent.
That would only be the case if we were equals with God. But we're not. We have nothing to trade to him that is of value.
The concept of a Sovereign Eternal Creator would mean that humanity is his product and right.
Ever heard of "tough love"? My parents loved me, but didn't hesitate to beat my ass when I stepped out of line as a kid. If humans are perfectly capable of punishing those they love (in love, of course), then why is it so farfetched to believe God has the same capability. We are "made in His image," after all.
Then how do you know which part is the truth an which is what man wanted other men to do?
Not everything in the bible is of theological importance. The donkey jesus rode in was just a donkey.
Hehe, I think that would get under my dad's skin more than it does me. I'm comfortable in who I am as a black man, so people can say what they want. Plus, isn't "boy" nearly a neutral term in today's vernacular? Idk
Human beings are not omni-benevolent.
Just like with jealousy. God is supposed to be a perfect being--a complete being. If God is complete, he should not care if man worshiped him or not. He shouldn't care if men believed in him or not. Human beings want acknowledgement. Human beings want to feel special. A perfect being doesn't need human desires.
yes, the men that penned the bible had quite the imagination.
Not that hard. Match it up against the standards of a perfect God. As far as the Bible goes, take its passages in the context of the time.
Context is temporary--truth stands the test of time.
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Last edited by xXx; 08-20-2010 at 01:59 PM.
A perfect God wouldn't want anything, because he is perfect. Why would he have standards?
are you kidding? he's pissy and vain.
If you believe in God, you believe that He's the one who created those "human desires" in the first place. Surely you don't presume that humans created "human nature." Then again, that's an entirely different debate (i.e., the existence of God at all). But if we're playing by the rules of there being a God, then it's not hard to understand. He chose the Hebrews as part of His plan to bring salvation to the world, and as a result, commanded them to have no other gods before him. But look around--there were a myriad of other deities man worshipped during the same time period, and God allowed it to happen, did He not? He primarily focused on the Hebrews because of the aforementioned "chosen people" spiel.
God is our Heavenly Father. A father cares for his children.
But those passages are instructing the reader, are they not? It doesn't make sense for those kinds of things to be in the Bible for no reason.
In fact,
God is telling Moses to give these people the listed instructions. It isn't mentioned in passing.Leviticus 25 (New Living Translation)
Leviticus 25
The Sabbath Year
1 While Moses was on Mount Sinai, the Lord said to him, 2 “Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. When you have entered the land I am giving you, the land itself must observe a Sabbath rest before the Lord every seventh year. 3 For six years you may plant your fields and prune your vineyards and harvest your crops, 4 but during the seventh year the land must have a Sabbath year of complete rest. It is the Lord’s Sabbath. Do not plant your fields or prune your vineyards during that year. 5 And don’t store away the crops that grow on their own or gather the grapes from your unpruned vines. The land must have a year of complete rest. 6 But you may eat whatever the land produces on its own during its Sabbath. This applies to you, your male and female servants, your hired workers, and the temporary residents who live with you. 7 Your livestock and the wild animals in your land will also be allowed to eat what the land produces.
The Year of Jubilee
8 “In addition, you must count off seven Sabbath years, seven sets of seven years, adding up to forty-nine years in all. 9 Then on the Day of Atonement in the fiftieth year,[a] blow the ram’s horn loud and long throughout the land. 10 Set this year apart as holy, a time to proclaim freedom throughout the land for all who live there. It will be a jubilee year for you, when each of you may return to the land that belonged to your ancestors and return to your own clan. 11 This fiftieth year will be a jubilee for you. During that year you must not plant your fields or store away any of the crops that grow on their own, and don’t gather the grapes from your unpruned vines. 12 It will be a jubilee year for you, and you must keep it holy. But you may eat whatever the land produces on its own. 13 In the Year of Jubilee each of you may return to the land that belonged to your ancestors.
14 “When you make an agreement with your neighbor to buy or sell property, you must not take advantage of each other. 15 When you buy land from your neighbor, the price you pay must be based on the number of years since the last jubilee. The seller must set the price by taking into account the number of years remaining until the next Year of Jubilee. 16 The more years until the next jubilee, the higher the price; the fewer years, the lower the price. After all, the person selling the land is actually selling you a certain number of harvests. 17 Show your fear of God by not taking advantage of each other. I am the Lord your God.
18 “If you want to live securely in the land, follow my decrees and obey my regulations. 19 Then the land will yield large crops, and you will eat your fill and live securely in it. 20 But you might ask, ‘What will we eat during the seventh year, since we are not allowed to plant or harvest crops that year?’ 21 Be assured that I will send my blessing for you in the sixth year, so the land will produce a crop large enough for three years. 22 When you plant your fields in the eighth year, you will still be eating from the large crop of the sixth year. In fact, you will still be eating from that large crop when the new crop is harvested in the ninth year.
Redemption of Property
23 “The land must never be sold on a permanent basis, for the land belongs to me. You are only foreigners and tenant farmers working for me.
24 “With every purchase of land you must grant the seller the right to buy it back. 25 If one of your fellow Israelites falls into poverty and is forced to sell some family land, then a close relative should buy it back for him. 26 If there is no close relative to buy the land, but the person who sold it gets enough money to buy it back, 27 he then has the right to redeem it from the one who bought it. The price of the land will be discounted according to the number of years until the next Year of Jubilee. In this way the original owner can then return to the land. 28 But if the original owner cannot afford to buy back the land, it will remain with the new owner until the next Year of Jubilee. In the jubilee year, the land must be returned to the original owners so they can return to their family land.
29 “Anyone who sells a house inside a walled town has the right to buy it back for a full year after its sale. During that year, the seller retains the right to buy it back. 30 But if it is not bought back within a year, the sale of the house within the walled town cannot be reversed. It will become the permanent property of the buyer. It will not be returned to the original owner in the Year of Jubilee. 31 But a house in a village—a settlement without fortified walls—will be treated like property in the countryside. Such a house may be bought back at any time, and it must be returned to the original owner in the Year of Jubilee.
32 “The Levites always have the right to buy back a house they have sold within the towns allotted to them. 33 And any property that is sold by the Levites—all houses within the Levitical towns—must be returned in the Year of Jubilee. After all, the houses in the towns reserved for the Levites are the only property they own in all Israel. 34 The open pastureland around the Levitical towns may never be sold. It is their permanent possession.
Redemption of the Poor and Enslaved
35 “If one of your fellow Israelites falls into poverty and cannot support himself, support him as you would a foreigner or a temporary resident and allow him to live with you. 36 Do not charge interest or make a profit at his expense. Instead, show your fear of God by letting him live with you as your relative. 37 Remember, do not charge interest on money you lend him or make a profit on food you sell him. 38 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan and to be your God.
39 “If one of your fellow Israelites falls into poverty and is forced to sell himself to you, do not treat him as a slave. 40 Treat him instead as a hired worker or as a temporary resident who lives with you, and he will serve you only until the Year of Jubilee. 41 At that time he and his children will no longer be obligated to you, and they will return to their clans and go back to the land originally allotted to their ancestors. 42 The people of Israel are my servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt, so they must never be sold as slaves. 43 Show your fear of God by not treating them harshly.
44 “However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you. 45 You may also purchase the children of temporary residents who live among you, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, 46 passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat them as slaves, but you must never treat your fellow Israelites this way.
47 “Suppose a foreigner or temporary resident becomes rich while living among you. If any of your fellow Israelites fall into poverty and are forced to sell themselves to such a foreigner or to a member of his family, 48 they still retain the right to be bought back, even after they have been purchased. They may be bought back by a brother, 49 an uncle, or a cousin. In fact, anyone from the extended family may buy them back. They may also redeem themselves if they have prospered. 50 They will negotiate the price of their freedom with the person who bought them. The price will be based on the number of years from the time they were sold until the next Year of Jubilee—whatever it would cost to hire a worker for that period of time. 51 If many years still remain until the jubilee, they will repay the proper proportion of what they received when they sold themselves. 52 If only a few years remain until the Year of Jubilee, they will repay a small amount for their redemption. 53 The foreigner must treat them as workers hired on a yearly basis. You must not allow a foreigner to treat any of your fellow Israelites harshly. 54 If any Israelites have not been bought back by the time the Year of Jubilee arrives, they and their children must be set free at that time. 55 For the people of Israel belong to me. They are my servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
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