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This man gets it!!
I'm sure there were people that used to say "it's dumb that people go to work and then complain about smoking."
This man gets it!!
Post #19. The city has lost 'potential' business.
Hopefully the hookah cafes will survive
He posted a SAWS study that stated they had lost 30 conferences because they ranked low on the smoke ban city list. I can't find where they got that from but I didn't spend alot of time looking.
If you don't like smoke, don't work in a bar. Is that so hard? There are some jobs I'd rather not do, so I didn't apply for them when I was looking.
It's stupid for people to say, "Why do the employees have to suffer?" If they didn't want to deal with it, then they probably should be applying for these jobs in the first place.
coming soon to your own yard, and inside your home...
Again, I'm not a smoker, and tend to lean to the left politically, but this is just stupid. People make decisions and then complain that other people need to fix it.
I don't mind smoking, but I'd rather not work in an environment that permits smoking in an enclosed area because of my kids. So what do I do to avoid the situation? I DON'T WORK IN A PLACE THAT ALLOWS SMOKING INDOORS.
The link provided stated that only about 10% of restaurants and bars are allowed smoking indoors. Are you telling me that the employees who complain of such places can't find a job in the other 90% of businesses in the same field? Please.
As for the 30 organizations that won't come to San Antonio, how about providing a list. Are the organizations large or small? How many members belong to these orgs? How often do they hold conventions? What is the economic impact of a convention being held by these orgs?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Going into a bar and coming out drunk is part of going to a bar, the smoke was incidental and not really a part of going to a bar now. Do you even go to them anymore?
i know what thread i'll be bumping in a year, hint not this one
Smoking has been banned in Dallas for like 2 years now. Every bar and club I go to everyone just stands outside talking to their friends who smoke all night breathing in 2nd hand smoke anyways.
Where's Buddy Holly when you need him to make an appearance?
I posted a San Antonio Water System study?
You didn't spend a lot of time reading.
Par for the course.
I haven't been in any restaurant in YEARS that allows smoking anymore. They don't even aski if you want to sit in smoking or non smoking.
s y: isn't that because the ban? I honestly think that most places would have chose to ban smoking. i just have a problem with the city counsel make these blanket rules on grown adults. if it's because of the smoke, then they could have made it where there were proper ventilation systems or air purifying machines.
The conventions that won't come are likely groups like the AMA, groups in the life/bio sciences field, etc.
You don't need a list to figure that out.
It still irritates me that "health and safety" is always trotted out and you never hear a peep from OSHA about this. Either that's their job or there is no need to have them around any more.
Thats hardly proof. Thats the agenda of a city council which names no company.
Also, it gives no mention to business affected by the adverse situation so it doesn't address a net loss or gain of business.
Personally I hate these laws. I love being able to go to a bar and not come home smelling like smoke here in Santa Fe but I would change the law if I could. Its a pure case of the majority not wanting to allow a disgusting habit to intrude on their enjoyment.
On the surface people are like exactly and think thats a good thing but you should not be able to change a private business practices simply because you don't want to smell like smoke.
Everyone has a choice on whether or not to visit these businesses that allow smoking. Exercise that choice instead of passing these laws that simply affect a business owners rights. You're not forced to visit places that allow smoking. S y is a great example of that in this thread. She doesn't like the smoking, she doesn't visit those places. Problem solved.
Has there been a smoking ban in restaurants here all this time?
The above sounds like there wasn't a ban, but I don't know. I haven't been in any restaurant that had a smoking sectionIt eliminates exemptions that have allowed lighting up in bars, pool and bingo halls, comedy clubs and restaurants with enclosed smoking areas.
Who and what?
Tobacco company product addicts forcing their second hand upon private residences? Already done in many apartment and condo places with patios in close proximity....
Tobacco addicts should be forced into some enclosed area.
Not allowed to infring upon the rights of others to untainted air.
Last edited by Fabbs; 08-21-2010 at 11:09 AM.
Great, how about when they are located right next to a non smoking place thus their second hand drifts over?
Also public entry places, ie courts. Tobacco company suck ups are (were?) allowed to stand in the entry ways and force their addiction on others.
I find it hilarious people still smoke.
Fabbs what if your neighbor says that you stink and doesn't want your smell to drift over?
Except that they didn't, even with proof that it was unhealthy. You just have a problem with authority, that's all.
huh.....so you think they are lying?
I would like to see the list of 30 myself, but when people in these types of positions put numbers like that out to the public, I usually give them the benefit of the doubt.
....But it is on the radar for the American Heart Association, the American Medical Association and about two dozen other national groups that won't consider cities that aren't smoke-free as convention sites. The AHA alone draws an estimated 30,000 people to its conventions.....
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/col..._94800354.html
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