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    I guess by the logic of the idiot right wingers in this thread, Christians shouldn't be able to build a Church near the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City since Timothy McVeigh was a Christian.
    Buh buh but he wasn't a real Christian. Whereas terrorists and Abdul 6-pack are interchangeable cogs in a great invisible war machine. See? Totally different.

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    What do you think the result would be?
    I think we both know the answer, however I wouldn't be surprised if you were still a supporter of segregation. The point is, Americans let their emotion reaction get in the way of what is/isn't cons utional, it happens all the time.

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    What is lost in this is all the survey's by muslims in america who say they never experience religious intolerance as compared to most European muslims who do.
    So that allows us to discriminate just this once? C'mon, man -- this is America. Denying people basic freedoms because they (the people) are unpopular isn't what we're about.

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    BTW, I could give a if they build it there or not. I just like to blow holes in y'alls weak ass "progressive" arguments.

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    Cute, but you analogy doesn't withstand scrutiny.

    McVeigh did not martyr himself and kill those people in the name of Christianity. He was just a sick .

    Next?
    And the terrorists who flew into the buildings weren't sick s? C'mon, man -- you're smarter than this.

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    And what people don't realize is how much this crap probably fuels the terrorist movement in the Middle East. Does anyone think about how much easier it will be for Al Queda to recruit Islamic young adults when they can point to an example of America trying to stop Muslims from practicing their religion?

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    BTW, I could give a if they build it there or not. I just like to blow holes in y'alls weak ass "progressive" arguments.
    When is it progressive to uphold the cons ution?

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    And the terrorists who flew into the buildings weren't sick s? C'mon, man -- you're smarter than this.
    They were true believers that did it in the name of their religious faith.

    Apples/Oranges

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    When is it progressive to uphold the cons ution?
    Are you implying that conservatives DON'T want to uphold the cons ution?

    Major fail.

    NO ONE is saying building the mosque is not cons utional dumb .

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    NO ONE is saying building the mosque is not cons utional dumb .
    Conversely, what democrats are saying it's the smart and sensitive thing to do?

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    They were true believers that did it in the name of their religious faith.

    Apples/Oranges
    McVeigh zealously believed in racist fascism and Christian Iden y doctrine, and he came from a culture/society of like-minded people -- his inspiration (The Turner Diaries) was a how-to on cell terrorism. The only difference is that most Nazis and the like in this country are (mercifully) craven pussies who rarely display the courage for their conventions (see: National Alliance), so it's more apples to apples than you know or care to know, I think.

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    Cute, but you analogy doesn't withstand scrutiny.

    McVeigh did not martyr himself and kill those people in the name of Christianity. He was just a sick .

    Next?
    Wrong. McVeigh used Christianity to fuel his extremist, White Supremacist beliefs just like Al Queda uses the Islamic religion to fuel their extremist, Islamic supremacist beliefs. McVeigh wasn't just a random idiot who decided to blow up a building and kill people because he thought it was cool. The OKC bombing was McVeigh's way of "retaliating" for the 1993 Waco Siege.

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    Way to dodge the fact it's based off the same logic you're brainwashed self is using in this thread.
    There was no facts in your nonsense. Mcveigh didn't go to a Christian church that preached hate and violence.
    Jesus didn't go around different tribes and make deals to violently attack others and instill their religion.
    A large portion of the Christian religion in all it's denominations do not condone, or stay silent, genocide.
    Going by all of Jesus's teachings, you could conclude that Mcveigh was a christian in name only. There is no evidence that he was a diciple of christ when he started his terrorism.
    IMO I think if they want to build a community center near the WTC-fine. And if the Imam's preaching incite violence on others than he should be imprisoned.

    This is a typical knee-jerk response from someone who listens intently to their marxist professor without doing their own homework on their nonsense.

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    And what people don't realize is how much this crap probably fuels the terrorist movement in the Middle East. Does anyone think about how much easier it will be for Al Queda to recruit Islamic young adults when they can point to an example of America trying to stop Muslims from practicing their religion?


    Al Queda has plenty of other arguments to use in recruitment.

    Considering the intolerance of infidels inherent in their faith I seriously doubt that having deep conversations about religious tolerance in the US is high on their list of recruitment tools.

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    So that allows us to discriminate just this once? C'mon, man -- this is America. Denying people basic freedoms because they (the people) are unpopular isn't what we're about.
    No. Just that we are a tolerant country. I think this has less to do with religion and more to do with american symbolism as to why most americans don't want a mosque that close to wtc.

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    Considering the intolerance of infidels inherent in their faith


    Can you think of any other religions that are intolerant?

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    There was no facts in your nonsense. Mcveigh didn't go to a Christian church that preached hate and violence.
    White Supremacists consider themselves Christians.

    Jesus didn't go around different tribes and make deals to violently attack others and instill their religion.
    And Muhammad did?

    A large portion of the Christian religion in all it's denominations do not condone, or stay silent, genocide.
    And the Koran condones violence?


    Going by all of Jesus's teachings, you could conclude that Mcveigh was a christian in name only. There is no evidence that he was a diciple of christ when he started his terrorism.
    And going by the 5 pillars of Islam, you could conclude Al Queda is only an Islamic organization by name.

    IMO I think if they want to build a community center near the WTC-fine. And if the Imam's preaching incite violence on others than he should be imprisoned.
    And I agree, but if it's a normal Muslim center, it won't incite violence. The people who blew up the trade centers weren't mainstream Muslims, they were Muslim extremists, just like Timothy McVeigh was a Christian extremist.

    This is a typical knee-jerk response from someone who listens intently to their marxist professor without doing their own homework on their nonsense.
    my marxist professor? Is college the devil or something?

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    Al Queda has plenty of other arguments to use in recruitment.

    Considering the intolerance of infidels inherent in their faith I seriously doubt that having deep conversations about religious tolerance in the US is high on their list of recruitment tools.
    I find this funny too. If they didn't have a reason yet I doubt this will push them over the ledge.

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    Wrong. McVeigh used Christianity to fuel his extremist, White Supremacist beliefs just like Al Queda uses the Islamic religion to fuel their extremist, Islamic supremacist beliefs. McVeigh wasn't just a random idiot who decided to blow up a building and kill people because he thought it was cool. The OKC bombing was McVeigh's way of "retaliating" for the 1993 Waco Siege.
    White Supremacy beliefs are inherently unchristian.

    Next.

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    Considering the intolerance of infidels inherent in their faith
    Why is it you act like all Muslims are "intolerant of infidels" as if they're all nutjob terrorists. Most Muslims are peaceful people.

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    White Supremacy beliefs are inherently unchristian.

    Next.
    Al Queda beliefs are inherently unIslamic. Nowhere in the Koran or the 5 pillars of Islam does it say to commit violent acts against the infidels.

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    Are you implying that conservatives DON'T want to uphold the cons ution?

    Major fail.

    NO ONE is saying building the mosque is not cons utional dumb .
    Dumb ? Eat a , tough guy -- I've been nothing but civil to you.

    As for cons utionality... people are trying to impede the construction of mosque for what amount to aesthetic reasons. The land is paid for, the plans are in place, and yet some misguided bags are trying to intercede on what amount to aesthetic grounds. That isn't cons utionally sanctioned, now, is it? So this whole hoopla (besides being primarily political opera leading up to the mid-terms) is, ultimately hypocritical xenophobia from a country that is composed of aliens, and this hypocrisy -- while cons utionally protected in itself -- has, as it's end, an uncons utional goal.

    As for your assumption that I'm pinning this idiotic behavior on conservatives... it's just an assumption, genius.

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    OK, GD, I get you now. Muslims good, Christians bad.

    I respect your cons utional right to advocate that.

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    I'm not saying Timothy McVeigh was a true Christian or anything. Timothy McVeigh twisted and contorted Christian beliefs to justify blowing up a building by convincing himself god wanted him to do so. Al Queda uses Islam to brainwash young adults and convince them Allah wants them to commit terrorist acts against the "infidels". Most Muslims hate being associated with organizations like Al Queda as much as Christians hate being associated with organizations like the KKK or with people like McVeigh.

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    There was no facts in your nonsense. Mcveigh didn't go to a Christian church that preached hate and violence.
    Jesus didn't go around different tribes and make deals to violently attack others and instill their religion.
    A large portion of the Christian religion in all it's denominations do not condone, or stay silent, genocide.
    Going by all of Jesus's teachings, you could conclude that Mcveigh was a christian in name only. There is no evidence that he was a diciple of christ when he started his terrorism.
    IMO I think if they want to build a community center near the WTC-fine. And if the Imam's preaching incite violence on others than he should be imprisoned.

    This is a typical knee-jerk response from someone who listens intently to their marxist professor without doing their own homework on their nonsense.
    Jesus didn't, but Christians have done far more than their fair share of it, repeatedly. They just apologize later so it's ok.

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