Best young players who aren't Superstars?

[DaDakota]

Chase Budinger
Kevin Martin
Danny Granger
Stephan Curry
Anthony Randolph

DD

[ynh]

And Blatche did a better job at keeping that Wizard crap compe ive as opposed to Lopez for the Nets. And somehow Blatche managed to have his assists numbers higher than Lopez despite having terrible options beside him. He made them look passable.

The Nets looked terrible even with their young talent, which speaks volumes about the way Lopez and Blatche carried their squads respectively.

If compe ive you mean going 9-34 and having a 16 game losing streak.

You're using some pretty weak arguments to say that Blatche is better.. Better D? You do realize Flip pulled his ass out of a game because he didn't want to get back on defense?

[Chieflion]

If compe ive you mean going 9-34 and having a 16 game losing streak.

You're using some pretty weak arguments to say that Blatche is better.. Better D? You do realize Flip pulled his ass out of a game because he didn't want to get back on defense?

9-34 > 12-70

How is it a weak argument when Brook Lopez had better teammates and went 12-70?

[ynh]

For argument sakes in that same period Lopez won 9 games in his last 43 .. You're comparing the results of someone starting half the amount of games as the other, while putting up worse numbers, and saying that they are a better player.

If you want to use Blatche's record while starting you have a 43 game sample.. It was the last 43 games (he might of started 2 more earlier in the year.. not interested enought to go back and look) take that same 43 game sample and Lopez and the Nets were 9-34 also.

You can't compare two unlike sample sizes and then project the sample on it's average and expect people to take you serious.. especially when that person has far worse statisics, minus assists.

Besides.. I didn't say he had a better team.. 12-70 says he didn't.

[Chieflion]

For argument sakes in that same period Lopez won 9 games in his last 43 .. You're comparing the results of someone starting half the amount of games as the other, while putting up worse numbers, and saying that they are a better player.

If you want to use Blatche's record while starting you have a 43 game sample.. It was the last 43 games (he might of started 2 more earlier in the year.. not interested enought to go back and look) take that same 43 game sample and Lopez and the Nets were 9-34 also.

You can't compare two unlike sample sizes and then project the sample on it's average and expect people to take you serious.. especially when that person has far worse statisics, minus assists.

Besides.. I didn't say he had a better team.. 12-70 says he didn't.

Far worse stats? Check the stats while he was starting. I stated it when I made my rankings. Go check it. He averaged more than 20 points and 8 rebounds while starting, while having more assists with worse teammates.

He is clearly a starter in the NBA and was on the bench due to Antawn Jamison. When he started, he showed far more talent than given credit for. Brook Lopez and Blatche are easily comparable players and one could make an argument for each of them.

[ynh]

Again.. 12-70 says he didn't have worse teammates.

[Chieflion]

Again.. 12-70 says he didn't have worse teammates.

Devin Harris was better than anyone not named Andray Blatche on the Wizards post Butler, Haywood and Jamison. Name me anyone better than that on the Wizards.

[ynh]

Never said you didn't have an argument.. I said that you are picking the wrong examples to prove your point (that he made the team more compe ive.. had worse teammates.. played better D).. Your starter stats aren't that bad though.

[Chieflion]

Never said you didn't have an argument.. I said that you are picking the wrong examples to prove your point (that he made the team more compe ive.. had worse teammates.. played better D).. Your starter stats aren't that bad though.

How didn't Andray Blatche make a team of Nick Young, Earl Boykins, Mike Miller, Javale McGee more compe ive than they should have been as opposed to Brook Lopez with Devin Harris, Courtney Lee, Terrence Williams? How were they wrong examples?

[ynh]

lol Devin Harris was complete last year.. Are you serious.

Come on.. For a "numbers means everything" guy you seem to bend that rule when it doesn't go in your favor.

Again.. 12-70 says that he didn't have a better team around him.

lol he sure as didn't have a better coach

[ynh]

Tell me again how a player that got pulled by his coach for not getting back on D is so much of a better defender than the other.

[Chieflion]

lol Devin Harris was complete last year.. Are you serious.

Come on.. For a "numbers means everything" guy you seem to bend that rule when it doesn't go in your favor.

Again.. 12-70 says that he didn't have a better team around him.

lol he sure as didn't have a better coach

Devin Harris being complete is still better than Earl Boykins. Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams are better than Nick Young and Mike Miller. Who was the difference maker that made 9-34 and 12-70? I would let you tell me but it definitely wasn't Javale McGee.

[ynh]

Tell me again how much better of a record Blatche had starting than Lopez while forgetting Lopez started the year before and won something like 35 ish games.

[Chieflion]

Tell me again how a player that got pulled by his coach for not getting back on D is so much of a better defender than the other.

You seem to have misunderstood the situation. Blatche explained it as a miscommunication and thought he was talking about offense after he chucked up a shot.

[Chieflion]

Tell me again how much better of a record Blatche had starting than Lopez while forgetting Lopez started the year before and won something like 35 ish games.

Thanks for telling me that Vince Carter actually meant so much to the New Jersey Nets in 2009.

[ynh]

Again your argument is weak.. You are arguing that 9-34 would of projected out to a better record than the 82 game sample (just for that year) that you have with lopez. It doesn't work that way.. Your argument is based around a guess that percentages would of stayed the same.

[ynh]

Thanks for telling me that everything stays a constant and thus fits your arguement.

[ynh]

Again I never said you couldn't debate this.. I said the way you were going about it was pretty weak. You have yet to prove otherwise.

Here you go.

Future superstar.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba...t-on-his-team/

[Chieflion]

Again I never said you couldn't debate this.. I said the way you were going about it was pretty weak. You have yet to prove otherwise.

Here you go.

Future superstar.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba...t-on-his-team/

That's half the stroy.

[Chieflion]

Again your argument is weak.. You are arguing that 9-34 would of projected out to a better record than the 82 game sample (just for that year) that you have with lopez. It doesn't work that way.. Your argument is based around a guess that percentages would of stayed the same.

It is a large sample size of 43 games. Not sure what you want here. If it is even around the same percentage, he would win about 16-17 games which is better than 12.

[Hornets1]

Marcus Thornton

Exactly

[Dunc n Dave]

Man Chief, you just won't give it up, will you? How many times do I have to explain that he got more shot attempts in the last 2 months of the season than all but like 10 guys in the NBA; OUT OF NECESSITY.

That WILL NOT happen again with Arenas, Wall, and Howard back this year. Blatche will MAX OUT as a 12pts 8 reb guy this year if all goes well. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him shoot about 46% FG either, now that teams have scouted him and know how to play him.

How can you project him to be a SUPERSTAR as the 4th option on that team? Will Richard Jefferson average 20ppg this year? How about Ron Artest? Maybe Rajon Rondo?

[Chieflion]

Man Chief, you just won't give it up, will you? How many times do I have to explain that he got more shot attempts in the last 2 months of the season than all but like 10 guys in the NBA; OUT OF NECESSITY.

That WILL NOT happen again with Arenas, Wall, and Howard back this year. Blatche will MAX OUT as a 12pts 8 reb guy this year if all goes well. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him shoot about 46% FG either, now that teams have scouted him and know how to play him.

How can you project him to be a SUPERSTAR as the 4th option on that team? Will Richard Jefferson average 20ppg this year? How about Ron Artest? Maybe Rajon Rondo?

When did I project him to be a superstar? You are projecting Brook Lopez to be a Tim Duncan lite. I respectfully disagree and say he does not have that in him.

And no, Josh Howard is below Andray Blatche at this point of his career in the food chain. You say his efficiency will dip if he will be taking less ill-advised shots as well. That is hilarious and not happening. Just because teams know how to play him. You sound like he will not improve. Same goes for Wall. Ya, just stick the shots out there for a rookie and take away shots from your best player last season. I didn't see Ben Gordon lose his touches because Derrick Rose joined the Bulls.

I don't see Nick Young, Mike Miller, Earl Boykins, Javale McGee take the shots out of necessity. The only guy capable was Blatche and he did a good job and showed an all-around game.

[Dunc n Dave]

I don't see Nick Young, Mike Miller, Earl Boykins, Javale McGee take the shots out of necessity. The only guy capable was Blatche and he did a good job and showed an all-around game.

Thanks for agreeing and proving my point. They didn't have anyone else capable of scoring 20ppg, so he took those shots out of necessity.

Just because you are capable of 20ppg doesn't mean you will score 20. It depends on the pieces around you. Blatche had no pieces so he had free reign to average more shots than Dirk a LEGIT superstar and HOF'er.

The purpose of this thread was to list the best players under 30 who are not yet superstars. Put Dejuan Blair on that Wizard team last season, give him the same # of shots that Blatche had and I bet he averages similar, if not better numbers. Maybe 19pts and 14 rebs. So I guess he should be in your argument too, as the best young players who are not yet superstars.

[Chieflion]

Thanks for agreeing and proving my point. They didn't have anyone else capable of scoring 20ppg, so he took those shots out of necessity.

Just because you are capable of 20ppg doesn't mean you will score 20. It depends on the pieces around you. Blatche had no pieces so he had free reign to average more shots than Dirk a LEGIT superstar and HOF'er.

The purpose of this thread was to list the best players under 30 who are not yet superstars. Put Dejuan Blair on that Wizard team last season, give him the same # of shots that Blatche had and I bet he averages similar, if not better numbers. Maybe 19pts and 14 rebs. So I guess he should be in your argument too, as the best young players who are not yet superstars.

But Blair didn't. Blatche did it, he could have failed to put up those stats, but he did. Your point really doesn't mean anything. he still has to do it. Blatche did it. Lopez didn't do it. Blatche did it. I have Blatche as part of my top 3. You can have Lopez. Right now, Blatche is better than Lopez.