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of the 00 champion teams i'd say year 00-05 would be pretty good, but on the fence bout the 03 lakers and the 05 Spurs.
and just in case you a haters forgot...Here is Kobe's first basket as a Laker back in the mid 90's...He looked comfortable out there. No doubt he would have dominated the compe ion in the 80's no question.
of the 00 champion teams i'd say year 00-05 would be pretty good, but on the fence bout the 03 lakers and the 05 Spurs.
Great post agree with everything even with kobe would STILL be effective ...but less so.
Let me say this ... though I agree Stern's rule has led to the pussification of the League ... but to use the 90's as an example of the best of the NBA is foolish. Outside of the Bulls, sonics and maybe the Jazz very few teams were capable of playing good solid and physical defense without being cheap shots artists ANd also being able to execute consistently on the offensive end.
The mid to late 80's had the best balance of great offense with better defense.
The ealy 80's was too wide open ...
The 90's was mostly slow paced ball
The 2000's seems to be way too soft ... but the spurs and Lakers BOTH played the game tough but not dirty (save rick Fox and Bowen)while also running good offense.
The past 3 finals have also been slugfests, more than shootouts even with the new rules. So i don't know if i co-sign going back to the "old school rules" ...
but i am for anything that leads to LESS FT's ...the Mavs vs. Heat finals was a travesty ...
one more quick note the flopping of Valde, Manu, fisher, Rodman (people NEVER call him out for it) and Verejao is not any better than the divers in FIFA level soccer.
the prettiest and easiest shot in the game ..... when I played it made so much easier margin for error diminishes so much if you know how to go glass.
Why? You know Michael wouldn't let him walk all over him. Kobe would meet his match in stubbornness. Michael kept championships from so many great players including: Ewing, Payton (until he got one with the Heat), Stockton, Malone, etc. if he didn't leave for baseball Olajuwon might not have gotten those 2 rings.
I posted earlier that I thought Kobe would do fine, but this is a stupid video to use to prove that point. Can can a shot where nobody was near him prove that he would play well in the hand-check era?
they all would have gotten AIDS right?
No surprise Kobe Bryant went from a low 20's scorer all the way to a high 20's/low 30's scorer over the course of a hand checking eliminating season. Despite shooting and making similar number of 3s.
Kobe Bryant would have been a Clyde Drexler, or even Mitch Richmond level of player in the 90's.
Wade would probably have fared worse. He had his coming out party in 06, when the league further reduced the amount of physical contact allowed on the perimeter.
Wade was drafted 5th for a reason, because executives were not able to gauge the impact of these rule changes to understand that the league is moving towards a guard oriented game.
The 80s and 90s are overrated in a lot of ways, TBH..
BTW, as history has shown us, the top players always transcend to every other era..the changes in eras and style of play generally effect role players/lesser players a lot more than they effect anybody else..
Obviously in regards to players like Kevin Martin and Corey Maggette that make it their purpose to exploit the foul rules in today's game, they would be worse, but the style of play wouldn't effect guys like Lebron, Kobe and Wade nearly as much as people seem to think..great players always transcend through different eras and style of plays, since the NBA is always changing..
Out of the guys in the thread le only LeBron would've been as great in the 80's and 90's where it was much more physical and handchecking was prominent. He's simply incredible when it comes to bulldozing to the rim and his passing and court vision are on another level than anybody in the le than CP3.
Great post. But I still feel like Wade would have gotten severely injured unless he changed his play style. Kobe has a great jumper and has a very fundamental post game and that is why he is still successful even though he's had knee and finger injuries as he's gotten older. LeBron is a train so he doesn't really get hurt. Wade is very injury prone though. And his injuries take away from his game a lot more than it does for other players.
Isiah made it and CP3 couldn't have? Personally, I think D-wade and Dirk would have suffered the most.
Put CP3 w/ the bad boy pistons, then make your judgement. Dirk and Gasol would still be great players, as would wade, but they wouldn't be superstars. Paul's game might slightly drop, but he would still be an all-star.
I think Chris Paul is a top 3 PG in the game, but he isn't better than any of the guys you just mentioned...He might be better than Pau but barely.
You really think an era change would make him better than them?
Yes, I do. Paul is not as frail as the others as far as position goes. Sure, he is short, but more muscular than gasol and dirk. You thought the bad boys punished Jordan? Just imagine what they would have done to Wade.
But hey, to each his own.
By the by, paul is a top 2 PG. I think he is the yin to Dwill's yang. I'm a fan of PG's and they are easily the best is the biz
Isiah was tougher
You don't even have to touch CP3 to make him cry
In game 6 of the 88 Finals vs L.A. Isiah got hurt, got up, played on on leg.
He was pushed, bumped, grabbed, guarded by bigger guys and yet scored 25 pts in a quarter.
On 1 leg
Yeah I understand your reasoning. Pau didn't do so hot as the best player in Memphis. Yeah he did well individually but the team never really went anywhere.
I'm a big character guy so I will keep arguing with you that Dirk would still be great. Wade and Paul's antics piss me the of.
And yes I do understand the whole Wade injury thing. I mentioned it above in the thread somewhere.
To be honest I don't have enough knowledge on CP3 to make a somewhat accurate judgment. From what I know though he is like Isiah in many ways, but I don't see the same toughness and will.
I think out of all the players mentioned D-Wade would have suffered the most. Especially the younger version of D-Wade that couldn't really shoot but was relentless at attacking the rim. He would've got hurt in the 80's or 90's, those guys simply were just not going to allow one man to continue to drive over and over to the rim. He always ends up on the floor in this era, just imagine the amount of punishment he'd take in those eras.
I think you mean the margin increased? as in you had more room for error with a bank shot?
The first year of no handchecking was 2005, right?
Take a look at Kobe's averages from 2001-2004.
Especially the first 3 seasons, and keep in mind the difficulties he had in 04. He was fine with handchecking
huh? I said i agree with everything EVEN that ...
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