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    lol MHz... that's 240.000.000 fps...

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    lol MHz... that's 240.000.000 fps...
    And Manny [who thinks he] is God, thinks he got over me on that...
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 08-23-2010 at 12:48 AM.

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    Part of the "overkill" is the 3D capability. I'll bet the difference between most "3D" capable TV's to their regular counterpart is a firmware switch...
    The electronics are different. The TV tells the shutter glasses the image it should block so you get a stereoscopic image. That's why the refresh rate needs to be at least 240Hz (it's really 120Hz for progressive scan images and 60Hz for interlaced while in 3D mode).

    If you're making a cheap(er) TV, you don't need the entire circuitry that talks to the glasses or the extra 240Hz juice.

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    Actually, you can buy 120Hz 3D sets, but you'll notice a small flicker if the source image is interlaced, such as some of the broadcast 1080i signals.

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    I bought a Samsung DLP several years ago, and it worked like a champ. Now I have a Samsung LCD and it's been great.

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    Actually, you can buy 120Hz 3D sets, but you'll notice a small flicker if the source image is interlaced, such as some of the broadcast 1080i signals.
    I prefer the technology where the polarization is built into the screen. No shutter glasses required. Just the same polarized elcheapo glasses you watch 3D theater movies in.

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    The electronics are different. The TV tells the shutter glasses the image it should block so you get a stereoscopic image.
    You're right. I had a brain cramp and forgot about that. Still, I'll bet they use the same circuit boards between the similar models, and have different firmware installed.

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    I prefer the technology where the polarization is built into the screen. No shutter glasses required. Just the same polarized elcheapo glasses you watch 3D theater movies in.
    You're thinking Anaglyphic 3D, which use the red-cyan (or cheaper red-green, red-blue, red-orange) glasses. The problem with those is that you lose color resolution and brightness. It also works very poorly or none at all with colorblind people.

    Shutter glasses started to be used on IMAX theaters back in the 90's. They were eventually discontinued because LCDs were kind of expensive at the time and the required communication between the projector and the glasses was costly. That said, you can still find some older theaters that still use them. The tech moved onto RealD later on, using much cheaper polarized glasses but requiring a fairly expensive silver screen. That's being mostly replaced with Dolby 3D, which is based on similar tech as the Anaglyphic 3D (some call it super-anaglyphic), but it actually splits all 3 RGB channels in two and the lenses have dichroic filters to filter left and right based on the channel. Those are not your elcheapo glasses however, and as you can see you do lose half of the color resolution (which is fine, because it's barely discernible).

    Shutter glasses have become fairly cheap to make, since they're basically a transparent low-res LCD layer on each eye that simply turn black blocking the eye's vision when told to do so. The biggest caveat with them is that you need some kind of signal coming from the box to tell the glasses what side to close each time. On a theater, this was problematic, but at home it's much easier. Either a wired system or a cheap infrared system should work fine.

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    You're right. I had a brain cramp and forgot about that. Still, I'll bet they use the same circuit boards between the similar models, and have different firmware installed.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the boards are the same but the non 3D sets doesn't include the communication circuitry and a pin-compatible lower-end ASIC (since you don't really need to process 240Hz images).

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    Couldn't tell you the model #s off the top of my head, but I have a 50" Samsung DLP that I bought in 2007 and a 40" LCD from 2009 and both have given no problems.
    You and I probably have the same DLP. I have a Samsung DLP (50'') that I bought in 2007! LOL.

    I have had to change the bulb (about a month ago), but it was only 100 bucks and took only 5 mins. Other than that, the thing works fine.

    Just bought an insignia Plasma, but it is just a rebranded samsung.

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    Anyone have a guess on how long this stupid 3D fad lasts?

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    I don't care. I just hope it lasts so regular 2D sets are way cheaper than that stupid fad.

    Thank you, idiots

    I'm praying for 4D

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    Anyone have a guess on how long this stupid 3D fad lasts?
    You don't like wearing Star Trek glasses at home to watch the home cooking network in 3D?

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    Wild....

    FPS also = First Person Shooter

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    Anyone have a guess on how long this stupid 3D fad lasts?
    Can't die quick enough. I heard some directors actually boycotting the tech, since they say filming with those cameras is a hassle.

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    LOL...

    You talking data rate, or frames per second?

    Never seen a monitor or TV that does 240 mhz frames. HZ, yes. MHZ... No!
    FPS as in first person shooter games man

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    FPS as in first person shooter games man

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    that was a good one

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    The unintentional comedy in this forum is much appreciated.

    And outside of major problems reported, buy the TV that looks best to your eyes in your price range.

    Rainbow effect, screen door effect, poor viewing angle, blotchy screens and the like aren't/weren't even seen by most until they read of someone else having the problem and then go looking for it.

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    The unintentional comedy in this forum is much appreciated.

    And outside of major problems reported, buy the TV that looks best to your eyes in your price range.

    Ohhhh, double rainbow! effect, screen door effect, poor viewing angle, blotchy screens and the like aren't/weren't even seen by most until they read of someone else having the problem and then go looking for it.
    ftfy

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    You're thinking Anaglyphic 3D, which use the red-cyan (or cheaper red-green, red-blue, red-orange) glasses.
    No...

    Flat out wrong. That's old school. I'm talking the new state of the art.

    They do it two different ways. PLANAR makes a two screed set that uses polarized glass. Some other makers have the physical polarization etched in the flat panel. there are physically two color groups next to each other, with polarities 90 degrees apart.

    SD2620W 26" Widescreen Stereo/3D Monitor:
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    Planar’s SD2620W produces amazing wide-screen WUXGA (1920 x 1200) 3D images and delivers comfortable, full resolution to both eyes for stunning stereo imaging. The SD2620W’s wide-screen display offers the largest stereo viewing available, which allows the monitor to be used simultaneously by multiple users. Unlike other technologies, multiple users can be both sitting and standing and see the same quality image because there is no “sweet spot” anywhere on the screen. Not only is viewing easy for anyone in an ambient-light environment it’s also comfortable because of the flicker–free operation, which, unlike many CRT’s, allows extended stereo use.


    JVC GD-463D10U PROFESSIONAL 46-INCH 3D DISPLAY MONITOR:
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    3D is now a reality with JVC's new GD-463D10 color monitor. This new flicker-free 3D display is easy on the eyes thanks to a circular polarization system that doesn't rely on active shutter glasses.

    High picture quality 3D display with eye-friendly circular polarizing technology
    Excellent color reproduction
    1920x 1080 LCD panel with Xpol® glass filter
    Horizontal interleaving polarization method: Complements the side-by-side format and converts to line interlace (line-by-line).
    Compatible with diverse power sources for worldwide applications (power plug will differ depending on the region).
    Requires inexpensive (passive) polarized glasses to watch 3D content
    Can be used at anytime for conventional 2D display

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    Anyone have a guess on how long this stupid 3D fad lasts?
    Not a fad.

    Here to stay.

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    Can't die quick enough. I heard some directors actually boycotting the tech, since they say filming with those cameras is a hassle.
    I used to have a camera that took stereo pictures. Had the cutters and blank reels to make View master 3D images.

    That was back in the late 70's/early 80's. Already discontinued when I had it.

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    Not a fad.

    Here to stay.





    Dude, you are utterly clueless.

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    Dude, you are utterly clueless.
    If you say so. I'm so clueless, I'll take your word for it.

    OK with you?

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