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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    I think that part needs to be changed. I think that some people of some religions should be banned. Anyone who follows a religion that dictates the imposition of that law on society should be banned from holding office.

    We do it the right way though. By amendment, protests, increasing knowledge, etc. Not by breaking the law.
    You do know that the First Amendment is there to protect unpopular speech, right?

    And uhm... there's quite a few Christians out there that would be nabbed by this law.

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    Christianity does not impose itself over law, nor do most other faiths.

    Why is it funny for me not to want a follower of Sharia law, or other authoritarian religion, not be able to serve?
    Right.... so there wasn't any judge who tried to put the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, or any numerous amount of politicians who use God as a justification for policy, or use the Judeo-Christian values as a basis for morality... etc etc.

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    You do know that the First Amendment is there to protect unpopular speech, right?

    And uhm... there's quite a few Christians out there that would be nabbed by this law.
    How do you figure?

    Does it meet this criteria:
    Anyone who follows a religion that dictates the imposition of that law on society should be banned from holding office.

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    How do you figure?
    What exactly do you mean by "dictates that law" etc etc? After all, many religious folk use the Bible as justification for certain laws based off morality. Should they be unable to hold office?

    What about people who are Muslims, but don't agree with enforcing their religion as law? Is that ok?

    You make it sound like there's only one Islam. Islam believers have various beliefs/strengths of belief, as do Christians.

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    What exactly do you mean by "dictates that law" etc etc? After all, many religious folk use the Bible as justification for certain laws based off morality. Should they be unable to hold office?
    Personal justification is not the same as having to follow a strict law of your religion. In fact, somplace in the Bible, it says God's followers are to be law abiding. God's law if for the people. Not for the government.
    What about people who are Muslims, but don't agree with enforcing their religion as law? Is that ok?
    So they are false followers? Wouldn't their own disown them?
    You make it sound like there's only one Islam. Islam believers have various beliefs/strengths of belief, as do Christians.
    Yes, there are different sects. I'm not ruling all Islams out by my statement. Only those who are in a sect that requires strict laws of the religion that are imposed over others.

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    Personal justification is not the same as having to follow a strict law of your religion. In fact, somplace in the Bible, it says God's followers are to be law abiding. God's law if for the people. Not for the government.
    someplace in the Bible it says says a woman must not teach, remain silent and must be subjugated to her man.

    yeah! God's law for the people!

    Yes, there are different sects. I'm not ruling all Islams out by my statement. Only those who are in a sect that requires strict laws of the religion that are imposed over others.
    What about anyone that tries to impose Christian law on society?

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    In fact, somplace in the Bible, it says God's followers are to be law abiding.
    Isn't that a textbook definition of a religion 'dictating the imposition of law on society'?

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    Gotta love those Cafeteria Christians.

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    Some of those who the profess traditional creeds of the USA yearn for official recognition as a protected minority against the crypto-pagan, crypto-libertarian onslaught of popular culture.

    When government is called on to protect traditional values, you can be pretty sure their power and influence is reaching a low ebb in society.

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    Traditional values need a government bailout too.

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    Traditional values need a government bailout too.
    Ive heard that traditional values is going public.

    I might go in on a few shares.

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    What about anyone that tries to impose Christian law on society?
    The distinction you don't see, where I draw the line, is that the Bible does not tell God's followers to impose God's will on others.

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    Isn't that a textbook definition of a religion 'dictating the imposition of law on society'?
    You too?

    No. It's telling God's followers to obey local laws.

    It doesn't tell people to impose God's will upon others. Does it?

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    Personal justification is not the same as having to follow a strict law of your religion. In fact, somplace in the Bible, it says God's followers are to be law abiding. God's law if for the people. Not for the government.
    So if God's law conflicts with the law, like, for instance, stoning children who talk back to their parents, then...

    So they are false followers? Wouldn't their own disown them?
    Wouldn't this apply?

    Yes, there are different sects. I'm not ruling all Islams out by my statement. Only those who are in a sect that requires strict laws of the religion that are imposed over others.
    It's their right to believe whatever cuckoo nonsense they wish.

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    The distinction you don't see, where I draw the line, is that the Bible does not tell God's followers to impose God's will on others.
    Uhm... are you sure about that? I mean, if God commanded his followers to oeby his laws, and they conflict with a regular law, wouldn't that imply God telling his followers to impose God's will?

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    Ive heard that traditional values is going public.

    I might go in on a few shares.

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    ^^^Iconic emphasis on tradition and family values. 1972.

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    No. It's telling God's followers to obey local laws.
    And what happens if they don't?

    It doesn't tell people to impose God's will upon others. Does it?
    Does every muslim you know tries to impose their God's will upon you? Or you don't know any muslims?

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    Uhm... are you sure about that? I mean, if God commanded his followers to oeby his laws, and they conflict with a regular law, wouldn't that imply God telling his followers to impose God's will?
    Wouldn't you be called a 'false follower' (whatever that means) if you deem yourself a christian and don't follow god's laws?

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    So I see Darrins is still stuck on the non existent shariah issue..

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    The distinction you don't see, where I draw the line, is that the Bible does not tell God's followers to impose God's will on others.
    What about anyone that tries to impose Christian law on society?

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