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    Rand Paul's College Days in a Secret Group

    Baylor student society was meant to offend the university's powers-that-be.
    Rand Paul did not graduate from Baylor University, nor did he ever claim that he had, but GQ claims today that the candidate for U.S. Senate in Kentucky has left out some juicy details of his college life. During two and a half years at Baylor, Paul was a member of a secret society that angered the university administration so much that a student could be expelled just for being a member, according to the magazine. The secret group, known as NoZe, reportedly published a subversive newspaper, The Rope, and sought to offend the university’s powers-that-be. Here are two excerpts from the GQ piece describing the group's absurd stunts:

    The group especially enjoyed tweaking the school's religiosity. "We aspired to blasphemy," says John Green, another of Paul's former NoZe Brothers.

    And so the NoZe Brothers would perform "Christian" songs like "Rock Around the Cross"; they'd parade around campus carrying a giant picture of Anita Bryant with a large hole cut out of her mouth after the former beauty queen proclaimed oral sex sinful; and they'd run ads for a Waco strip club on the back page of The Rope. In 1978, the Baylor administration became so fed up with the NoZe that it suspended the group from campus for being, in the words of Baylor's president at the time, "lewd, crude, and grossly sacrilegious."



    The strangest episode of Paul's time at Baylor occurred one afternoon in 1983 (although memories about all of these events are understandably a bit hazy, so the date might be slightly off), when he and a NoZe brother paid a visit to a female student who was one of Paul's teammates on the Baylor swim team.

    According to this woman, who requested anonymity because of her current job as a clinical psychologist, "He and Randy came to my house, they knocked on my door, and then they blindfolded me, tied me up, and put me in their car. They took me to their apartment and tried to force me to take bong hits. They'd been smoking pot."

    After the woman refused to smoke with them, Paul and his friend put her back in their car and drove to the countryside outside of Waco, where they stopped near a creek.

    "They told me their god was 'Aqua Buddha' and that I needed to bow down and worship him," the woman recalls. "They blindfolded me and made me bow down to 'Aqua Buddha' in the creek. I had to say, 'I worship you Aqua Buddha, I worship you.' At Baylor, there were people actively going around trying to save you and we had to go to chapel, so worshiping idols was a big no-no."

    http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-ga...t-society.html
    Probably mostly a bit far fetched, but still a good/weird read......

    and not because they made up a god called Aqua Buddha.......but because they blindfold a chick to take to go smoke out, but when she refuses, they 'force' her to bow down before Aqua Buddha.

    huh?

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    Rand's self-awarded ophthalmology degree was more telling, but that's pretty goofy too.

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    Didn't he create his own certification agency that then certified him? I don't think it was a "degree". That's an aspect of the "freedom" libertarians are at liberty to commit in their own behalf.

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    Are you trampling on our religious freedom to smoke dope and worship the Aqua Buddha?


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    Not at all. Feel free, CC.

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    Actually, that kinda makes me like him more. Everyone's stupid when they're younger, but he used his stupidity to make fun of religion.

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    Actually, that kinda makes me like him more. Everyone's stupid when they're younger, but he used his stupidity to make fun of religion.
    I thought he was creepy before. Makes him seem even creepier, imo.

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    Actually, that kinda makes me like him more. Everyone's stupid when they're younger, but he used his stupidity to make fun of religion.
    The complete anarchist within me agrees! Of course, that same anarchist wants to see a Burt Reynolds/Ted Nugent ticket too.

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    Abduction/false imprisonment is a very risky "prank," to say nothing whatsoever about the attempt to make the "mark" smoke pot and profess a phony creed. That's all jacked up in a number of ways.

    I'm not positive it was a crime; neither am I too sure it wasn't. Creeps me the out either way.

    Has RP bothered to deny the report, or did it receive the obligatory non-denial denial?

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    hasnt this chick already come out and said that this was a mianstream media "hit" on Rand?

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    Probably mostly a bit far fetched, but still a good/weird read......

    and not because they made up a god called Aqua Buddha.......but because they blindfold a chick to take to go smoke out, but when she refuses, they 'force' her to bow down before Aqua Buddha.

    huh?
    I could believe it if mushrooms were involved.

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    she did clarify the story was blown out of proportion...

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plu...arifies_k.html

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    The woman -- who was made available to me for an interview by GQ reporter Jason Zengerle in response to the Paul campaign's denunciations of his article -- said she didn't mean to imply that she was kidnapped "in a legal sense."
    "The whole thing has been blown out of proportion," she told me. "They didn't force me, they didn't make me. They were creating this drama: `We're messing with you.'"
    The woman said that much of the subsequent coverage of her allegations missed a key nuance: As a participant in a college ritual, where lines between acquiescence and victimization are often blurry, she was largely playing along with the notion that she was being forced to follow Paul's orders.
    "I went along because they were my friends," she said. "There was an implicit degree of cooperation in the whole thing. I felt like I was being hazed."
    That characterization of events supports Paul's claim that, as he told Fox News yesterday, "No, I never was involved with kidnapping. No, I never was involved with forcibly drugging people."

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    "I went along because they were my friends," she said. "There was an implicit degree of cooperation in the whole thing. I felt like I was being hazed."
    Creepy even moreso with consent. JMO.

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    Probably mostly a bit far fetched, but still a good/weird read......

    and not because they made up a god called Aqua Buddha.......but because they blindfold a chick to take to go smoke out, but when she refuses, they 'force' her to bow down before Aqua Buddha.

    huh?
    I would say whoever this anonymous woman is, that she's lying. I looked up the reference for Aqua Buddha, and it is very spare until this Paul story. There is no internet reference until 2004:

    Fractal Buddha gallery 1

    In 2006, a song by that name:

    Aqua Buddha

    The next reference is a palates event led "Aqua Buddha Camp" in 2008, with a whole load of this same reference in 2009. Nothing else seems to exist before the alleged 2010 "NoZe Brothers" thing, except a deleted YouTube video from a site out of India.

    I wonder if this woman is either into Palates, hearing the reference, the song, or what. I guess it's possible they made up that name in the 80's, but I doubt it. It seems more plausible that she made it up with a reference she heard.

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    Rand Paul: I Did Not Have Aqua Buddha Relations With That Woman, The Chick From The Swim Team

    Ah...

    from a swim team...

    I'll bet she heard the palates reference before!
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 08-24-2010 at 04:25 PM.

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    Creepy even moreso with consent. JMO.
    She said they then "took me out to this creek and made me worship Aqua Buddha." And she added that the whole thing was so "weird" that afterwards she ended relations with Paul and his friends.
    she thought it was creepy too.

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    I would say whoever this anonymous woman is, that she's lying. I looked up the reference for Aqua Buddha, and it is very spare until this Paul story. There is no internet reference until 2004:
    If Paul made it up himself, why would you expect to find a whole bunch of references to it on the internets?

    What motive do you think she has to be an anonymous liar?

    Paul has also made no effort to say that he has no idea what she is talking about or deny that he was doing drugs.

    I'd say the odds are that she is telling the truth as she remembers it.

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    Ah...

    from a swim team...

    I'll bet she heard the palates reference before!
    Ah...

    Paul was on the same swim team and apparently was a stoner.

    I'll bet aqua buddha has appeared to him while doing laps.

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    Almost anything's possible, but so many stories from the past that crop up are just that. Stories, rather than skeletons.

    Think either of them will take a lie detector test?

    As for the drugs? Neil didn't ask that.

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    Media Conspiracy! Thanks Prison Planet!

    The latest media hoax targeting Kentucky primary winner Rand Paul has exploded in the establishment’s face after a claim that Paul “kidnapped” a woman during a college prank was revealed to be completely mischaracterized, showing once again how desperate the system is to discredit Paul and prevent him from leading a populist revolt against the status quo.

    The corporate media has now launched no less than three hyped or outright manufactured “controversies” in an effort to tear down Paul’s popularity in the less than three months since he won the Kentucky primary. The system is scared stiff of what Paul represents because he is a true cons utionalist with a real chance of winning in October after having brushed aside establishment Republican candidate Trey Grayson back in May.

    On the very night of his primary success, the media kicked into high gear and instantly tried to characterize Paul as a hypocrite and a racist elitist simply because he held his victory celebration at a country club.
    When this attempt to smear Paul fell flat on its face, the Civil Rights sideshow was ramped up, with MSNBC airing eight different segments totaling 37 minutes with every single guest attacking Rand Paul as a closet racist who wanted to repeal the Civil Rights Act, something which he never said. Indeed, although Paul expressed a nuanced view on the Civil Rights Act, he made it clear that he would not vote to repeal it. This didn’t stop Rachel Maddow and MSNBC from publishing an out of context script in a crass stunt to make it appear as if Paul had answered “yes” to Maddow’s question about whether businesses should have the right not to serve black people.

    But with Paul still maintaining a healthy lead over his Democratic rival Jack Conway, the establishment was forced to launch its third absurd smear attack in as many months, by manufacturing a national controversy out of the claims of an anonymous woman who talked to GQ Magazine about a college prank Paul was involved in 30 years ago, alleging that Paul had “kidnapped” the woman and forced her to take drugs.

    The hoax was unraveled when the woman later admitted to the Washington Post that she was not kidnapped, she was not forced drugged, and that “the whole thing has been blown out of proportion” because she willingly went along with the prank, which on the face of it is mild tomfoolery when measured against similar college hazing pranks performed today.

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    Media Conspiracy! Thanks Prison Planet!
    Yes, you cannot believe some things. The Madcow is one who constantly lies about people. So many others do also, like most of MSNBC.

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    Creepy even moreso with consent. JMO.
    Eh, everyone does crap they don't want to do with friends. Half the stupid things I did in high school were done because friends were doing them. The whole "if your friends jumped off a bridge" thing. Weren't you ever talked into doing something stupid you wouldn't have normally done on your own, WH?

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    Almost anything's possible, but so many stories from the past that crop up are just that. Stories, rather than skeletons.
    Eh, the story itself is not much of a skeleton if true. It just further confirms for me that the guy is creepy.

    Think either of them will take a lie detector test?
    No.

    Since the anonymous woman apparently has no motive to tell the story, she has no real reason to take a lie detector test. I'm guessing for her, it's just a funny/weird story she wanted to share.

    If Paul were to come out and say "nope, I did not use drugs, she is mistaken" I would probably take him at his word. He has yet to do that however.....

    As for the drugs? Neil didn't ask that.
    I'm sure Rand read the story. A simple "no I didnt do that".......

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    Eh, everyone does crap they don't want to do with friends. Half the stupid things I did in high school were done because friends were doing them. The whole "if your friends jumped off a bridge" thing. Weren't you ever talked into doing something stupid you wouldn't have normally done on your own, WH?
    so you've tied up and blindfolded a chick before taking her to a creek?

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