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good list
I don't like Rosen but he is spot on.
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Not as good as everyone says
Don’t be fooled by stats, fan-voted All-Star Game appearances, highlighted plays, and/or media hype. While every combatant in the NBA is a truly great player, too many of them are gauged by these grossly misleading standards. Here is Charley Rosen's collection of the NBA’s most over-valued not-so superstars, along with their backups at each position, as well as the one coach who likewise gets far more credit than he deserves.
Point guard: Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets
One reason why CP3 racks up so many assists is that he dominates the ball as much as Steve Nash and LeBron do but, to be fair, he does have extraordinary court vision and can pass equally well with both hands. Still, Paul’s biggest negatives are his almost total dependence on screen/rolls to create his own and his teammates' shot opportunities, which means double teams render him virtually impotent. His defense mostly relies on his stealing opponents’ careless passes and dribbles; plus bigger, stronger opponents (practically every other point in the league) can easily maneuver Paul to their favorite spot and then shoot over him.
BACKUP: Jason Kidd (Mavs) is way past his prime, can’t get his dribble to the hoop in half-court sets, and can no longer adequately defend quick opponents.
Shooting guard: Joe Johnson, Atlanta Hawks
Doesn’t play aggressive defense anymore. Is virtually useless on offense unless the ball is in his hands and is therefore easy to double-team when he does have possession. His sticky fingers frustrate his teammates by limiting their own scoring opportunities while, at the same time, delaying the natural maturation of some of the younger Hawks. "Iso Joe" also takes far too many shots and must shoot over 50 percent to be the difference between Atlanta’s winning or losing.
BACKUP: Vince Carter (Magic) is one of the most highly skilled players extant. But he can be rendered relatively impotent when forced left, and his own lack of heart routinely makes him prone to all kinds of miscues in the clutch.
Small forward: LeBron James, Miami Heat
Massages the ball every time he touches it and therefore creates stagnation in the offense. Despite his awesome size and strength, James has never worked to make himself a legitimate threat to score in the low post. Plays and lives as though he’s desperate for the spotlight to always shine on him. Can play hustling open-court defense and can’t be overpowered in half-court defense, but LBJ’s defensive stance is top heavy so he’s helpless against quicker opponents. The most questionable aspects of his game are his off-ball play, his erratic shooting stroke, and the sincerity of his commitment to winning. Simply put, The Chosen One is really a volunteer.
BACKUP: Tayshaun Prince (Pistons) has absolutely lost his passion for the game. His once lock-down defense is now ordinary, and his offensive moves have become both casual and predictable.
Power forward: Carlos Boozer, Chicago Bulls
He can score from the low post with his turnaround jumpers and his left-handed drives, and he’s a fairly accurate mid-range shooter. But because Boozer’s lateral movement is extremely limited, he’s only a two-space rebounder. He can’t complete anything except the simplest of passes, has difficulty handing in even modest crowds, and is too small to defend centers and too slow to defend power forwards. Boozer will usually fill up his stat line with some late-game jumpers, but good teams easily neutralize him when a game is on the line.
BACKUP: Chris Bosh (Heat) shoots as much as possible. Passes as little as possible. Rarely grabs a tough rebound. Registers more turnovers than assists. Blocks an occasional shot but can’t defend.
Center: Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
Making movies in the offseason is obviously more important to him than working to improve his low-post offense, so it’s no surprise that Howard’s offense remains crude and is easily stymied by the better-coached teams in the league. In addition, Howard can’t complete complicated passes when two-timed; can be fouled for profit; is so eager to swat shots that smart teams can sucker him into following the bouncing ball; and is unable to contain opposing bigs who can turn, face and attack. Even so, Howard believes that he’s already the best he can be.
BACKUP: Al Jefferson (Jazz) is a one-trick pony who can score in the low post. Period. He shuns playing defense, passing, and assaulting the defensive glass with the same determination with which he goes after easy put-backs.
Coach: Stan Van Gundy, Orlando Magic
He's much too emotional on the bench, which sometimes causes him to lose his concentration. His offenses lack any element of surprise. He pleads with his players to follow his instructions instead of demanding the same. His in-game and between-game adjustments are too elementary. And Howard let the cat out of the bag last year when he indicated that SVG isn’t totally respected by his players.
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good list
I don't like Rosen but he is spot on.
Cue butthurt Hornets fans in 5, 4, 3....
Hornets fans will be shouting "Blasphemy" from the rooftops
Who over-rates Prince, Kidd, or VC anymore?
The ones I agree with the most are Dwight Howard and SVG. Dwight's possibly the worst "best big man in in the league" in NBA history. He lacks fundamentals and IQ in just about every part of his game including his defense and seems too easily frustrated. Dwight made history for all the wrong reasons in the first round as he couldn't stay on the god damn court.
Chris Webber and Michael Wilbon both thought that SVG was going to be let go from their sources which is no surprise considering he doesn't seem respected at all ---- whenever your star player calls you out on your coaching and makes regular shrill and negative impersonations you have failed as a head coach. Not to mention they seem to run a gimmick of a system that collapses if Dwight struggles which can be accomplished in a number of ways for good coached teams.
So you agree with Rosen?
This is one stupid f'ing list.
I don't agree with Lebron and CP3 at all.
Lebron is the best player in the NBA and a healthy Paul is easily the best PG in the NBA.
And i don't agree with Chris Bosh in the list. STAT would easily have his place as the backup overrated PF. IMO Bosh is better than STAT
I don't agree with Kidd, Howard, and even Lebron on the list. Made up with it by having Chris Bosh(he is so overrated)
Howard doesn't have a legit post game is the reason he's overrated
I hate the fact that everyone has given Howard the "best big man" label and hardly anyone mentions his complete lack of offensive ability. Someone needs to come in here and take that torch from him because it is embarrassing to have a player as unskilled as Howard being given such a lofty le. Lebron though? I don't think so, best player in the league at the moment, I don't agree with Paul either. One year injured and everyone forgets about him
What makes them the best again?
Deron is better than Chris.
CP3 is a better pure PG, but Deron has strong SG skills which CP3 is has developed, but doesn't have the size to shoot over defenders like Deron. Still, CP3 is a better PG. As far as who is better overall will always be a tough debate.
Rosen thinks he's making good points, but its a pretty short-sighted and lazy view of CP3. Of course CP3 handles the ball alot, but he makes fantastic decisions and is better with the ball than any PG in the game. Plus, his TO rates are outstanding. No PG could put up the same amount of stats even if they controlled the ball as much as he did. Those PGs would probably have more TOs than anything since their ball-handling doesn't compare with CP3's.
The pick n roll is a staple in today's NBA. Most teams use it as a primary offense, especially PG dominated teams. What makes CP3 better today is his development of a consistent outside jumper and three-point shot. Plus, he finishes as good as any PG in the paint and shoots an outstanding FT percentage.
Basically, Rosen thinks CP3 is overrated yet the numbers show how valuable he is to his own team whether you look at win-shares or PER or even look at how limited in talent he has had around him. Rosen needs a bedfan because he's full of .
Playing Devil's advocate here... being the best player in the NBA and being overrated are not mutually exclusive.
That said... I don't really see James as overrated. He has plenty of doubters, enough to outweigh the people who don't see his flaws.
Paul and Bosh are arguably overrated only because of the legit skepticism over Paul's injury and the lumping in of Bosh as a 3rd superstar.
That would be a valid complaint if Rosen didn't have Paul on his overrated list last season as well.
He just plain doesn't like Chris Paul.
I don't give a about the list.
Everything is correct except CP3 and Lebron. Paul is a top three PG at worst and Lebron? Well he's the best player in the planet for three years now. Rosen has become a legitimate Lebron hater.
sons what a gay ass and RACIST list. notice he doesn't mention not ONE white player and every last white player in the NBA is terrible overrated (Dirk, Manu, Peja, Daivd Lee, etc.)
...Lebron is a one trick pony...one must be multi-faceted to claim Don of the leauge... and The Mamba still wears that crown...
Im starting to think you are in love with lebron ?
Paul was one of the best isolation scorers in the NBA this past season..he shot 48% in 1 on 1 situations and he scored on 47% of his attempts in general, both very high amounts..to say he relies primarily on screen and rolls is false, although he obviously uses that for a lot of his points..Paul has never had a good offensive coach to use him in various ways, so I find it unfair to make a point like that..One reason why CP3 racks up so many assists is that he dominates the ball as much as Steve Nash and LeBron do but, to be fair, he does have extraordinary court vision and can pass equally well with both hands. Still, Paul’s biggest negatives are his almost total dependence on screen/rolls to create his own and his teammates' shot opportunities, which means double teams render him virtually impotent. His defense mostly relies on his stealing opponents’ careless passes and dribbles; plus bigger, stronger opponents (practically every other point in the league) can easily maneuver Paul to their favorite spot and then shoot over him.
Defensively, it's true that bigger and stronger PGs can take advantage of him, and he's probably a poor 1 on 1 defender anyways..however, individual defense from a PG is very overrated and mostly irrelevant IMO, this era doesn't allow PGs to be lock down defenders..taking away handchecking renders individual defenders useless at the PG position..Paul's ability as a help defender and as an overall ball stealer in general makes him useful on the defensive end, and not a liability..
Jason Kidd isn't really rated highly by anybody anymore..BACKUP: Jason Kidd (Mavs) is way past his prime, can’t get his dribble to the hoop in half-court sets, and can no longer adequately defend quick opponents.
Vince Carter is ted on by everybody, and everybody, even his die-hard fans like myself, recognize that he declined heavily this past season..how can he possibly be overrated?..Yahoo just underrated him heavily by having him as the #23 best SG in the NBA, yet he's overrated?..I don't think Rosen understands this term..BACKUP: Vince Carter (Magic) is one of the most highly skilled players extant. But he can be rendered relatively impotent when forced left, and his own lack of heart routinely makes him prone to all kinds of miscues in the clutch.
This one hurtsSmall forward: LeBron James, Miami Heat
Massages the ball every time he touches it and therefore creates stagnation in the offense. Despite his awesome size and strength, James has never worked to make himself a legitimate threat to score in the low post. Plays and lives as though he’s desperate for the spotlight to always shine on him. Can play hustling open-court defense and can’t be overpowered in half-court defense, but LBJ’s defensive stance is top heavy so he’s helpless against quicker opponents. The most questionable aspects of his game are his off-ball play, his erratic shooting stroke, and the sincerity of his commitment to winning. Simply put, The Chosen One is really a volunteer.
- Lebron has never played for a good offensive coach..he has shown that he's an absolutely dominant cutter and great off the ball player..Lebron shot 80% from the field in cutting/off-ball situations, a ridiculously high amount, the highest amount for a non-big man in the NBA, yet Mike Brown couldn't find a way to utilize him more with that style of play..it also has to do with the fact that he didn't play with another playmaker..
- Lebron shoots 53% in the post, one of the best marks in the NBA..his effectiveness in the post was similar to Kobe's last year, yet Kobe is regarded as having an elite post up game..
- Lebron is a dominant defender..opponents shot 31% against him from the field in 1 on 1 situations, the best mark of any perimeter defender in the NBA last year..then you add in his help defense, which is obviously elite, and there shouldn't be anybody questioning his defense..
I haven't heard about Tayshaun Prince in years, how can he be overrated?..BACKUP: Tayshaun Prince (Pistons) has absolutely lost his passion for the game. His once lock-down defense is now ordinary, and his offensive moves have become both casual and predictable.
Howard shot 52% in the post this season, one of the best marks in the NBA..his post up game is ugly, but it's extremely effective..he still has work to do, especially against teams like Boston, but he's still extremely effective in the post..he's also the best pick and roll finisher and cutter in the NBA by a decent margin..Center: Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
Making movies in the offseason is obviously more important to him than working to improve his low-post offense, so it’s no surprise that Howard’s offense remains crude and is easily stymied by the better-coached teams in the league. In addition, Howard can’t complete complicated passes when two-timed; can be fouled for profit; is so eager to swat shots that smart teams can sucker him into following the bouncing ball; and is unable to contain opposing bigs who can turn, face and attack. Even so, Howard believes that he’s already the best he can be.
Defensively, he's by far the best in the NBA, no question..Orlando has been ranked highly in the defensive rankings for the last few years, despite surrounding Howard with terrible defenders..he's a 1 man defense that has more defensive responsibilities than any player in the NBA..opponents shot an abysmal 34% against him in the post, and then there's his highly publicized help defense..
Far from overrated when everybody overemphasizes his flaws..
I don't know how this guy gets paid to write about basketball..
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