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Meh, if Rosen would have led the article "Superstars and their flaws" then it would be spot on. Every point he makes is legit but that doesn't mean those guys are overrated.
LeHype shouldn't need an offensive coach since he is "the best in the game." Is Phil Jax a great offensive coach? Not really, yet Kobe thrives. Imagine him being the shooting guard for Phoenix. The problem with LeHype is a good defensive team can exploit "LeBron ball" -- you know the drill: 4 guys go into 4 corners to spot up, while LeHype takes his man off the dribble for the dunk, drive and kick, or the foul (plus the and-1 -- which makes sports center highlights on the regular). That don't work in the playoffs. Without a good lowpost threat, that won't work in South Beach either. They can't demand a double from the post nor can they defend the post because they have doughnut in the middle.This one hurts
- Lebron has never played for a good offensive coach..he has shown that he's an absolutely dominant cutter and great off the ball player..Lebron shot 80% from the field in cutting/off-ball situations, a ridiculously high amount, the highest amount for a non-big man in the NBA, yet Mike Brown couldn't find a way to utilize him more with that style of play..it also has to do with the fact that he didn't play with another playmaker..
- Lebron shoots 53% in the post, one of the best marks in the NBA..his effectiveness in the post was similar to Kobe's last year, yet Kobe is regarded as having an elite post up game..
- Lebron is a dominant defender..opponents shot 31% against him from the field in 1 on 1 situations, the best mark of any perimeter defender in the NBA last year..then you add in his help defense, which is obviously elite, and there shouldn't be anybody questioning his defense..
LeHype shoots 53% in the post is a fallacy. He dunks alot. Early and often. That's what's saving his shooting percentage. if they banned dunking, he would be out of a job (ditto for DWhistle) because he can't shoot consistently.
LeHype is not a dominant defender. Don't let those sportscenter highlights of him coming from the blindside to block someone's shot fool you. Put it like this, if Miami puts him on Kobe all game long, and don't "hide" him (or DWhistle) I guarantee you he will either get roasted, or foul out. Guaranteed.
The only crime Mike Brown should be convicted of was that he let LeHype have his way for far too long. , the whole Cavs organization have themselves to blame for this mess. Mike Brown is a coach from right under Pop's coaching staff, so we know he knows his X's and O's. He should have hardly been the scape goat for the Cavs' demise. But we will see soon enough whether LeHype is worth all the ruckus in these playoffs. He has "superstar" talent type help this time around. Many people outside of LA would argue he is better than Kobe and that DWhistle/Bosh >> Gasol/Bynum. So when they don't win this year (or next), maybe he can shed his "Chosen One" label for good. A "king" with no ring. Imagine that.
Meh, if Rosen would have led the article "Superstars and their flaws" then it would be spot on. Every point he makes is legit but that doesn't mean those guys are overrated.
It's just a little payback for all your phobic posts.
You left yourself out.
Good list. Only one I disagree with is LeBron, but I can see him on the list after he quit on his team these past playoffs.
Robin James is absolutely overrated and it has nothing to do with him losing to a lower seeded team whilst quitting on his teammates.
Been proven he's not the best player in the league yet people inaccurately label him as such. Others liken him to Jordan or Magic and invoke "potential GOAT" when he hasn't even come close to winning a ing thing. No post game and pedestrian footwork. Pathetic mid range jumper. And now he's nothing more than a 2nd fiddle during his prime years.
Robin is the epitome of overrated.
very good list.
dude brought the goods today
That being said. Dirk could have easily made his list. 7 foot german's got no post moves, weak D and nonexistent shot blocking.
PG - Steve Nash
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Rashard Lewis
PF - Dirk Nowitzki
C - Yao Ming (due to injury issues, he's a bust. T-Mac took unfair criticism with this gigantic clown always getting injured every season)
Being the best doesn't mean you can't be overrated. Even the best players can have flaws and get over-hyped. In fact, it's easier for very good and even great players to be overrated than average or bad players.
In my opinion, LeBron James is the best player in the NBA. But, I do think he has flaws and does get more hype than he deserves sometimes, by the likes of ESPN and some fans. This summer was one of the first times he has taken heavy criticism. I think over the last few years, while he's been the best player in the league, he probably has been overrated some. Most overrated small forward? That's debatable. But just because a player is great, it doesn't mean he can't be overrated. That's not a sound argument.
But if you look at the small forward position in the NBA, there aren't a lot of overrated players. You might make an argument for a guy like Hedo Turkoglu but after last season, he showed his ass and now people realize he's garbage. Same might be said of Caron Butler, but not sure he was that highly rated to begin with. I think you might argue Andre Iguodala. Still a very good player, but often regarded as a shut down defender and on the cusp of being a real star in the league. Hasn't really improved and expanded on his talents, to me. And probably will never be a real star in the league.
Same thing can be said of Chris Paul. I think it's general consensus that he's the best point guard in the league, or at worst the second best point guard in the league. Doesn't mean he doesn't have flaws or that those flaws are often overlooked or disregarded. I agree that he holds onto the ball a little too much. Wasted dribbling and shot clock consumption at times. There are times where he maxes out his dribble to look for the direct assist instead of swinging the basketball to make the defense move and adjust because that won't directly lead to an assist. I don't knock him too much for his defense because he is what he is, a small guard who will always be at a disadvantage against bigger and stronger point guards who have back-down post skills. He can't grow 4 inches. Bulking up too much would likely have more negative effects than positive ones. So he gambles on defense. That's his strength on defense. But offensively, he could change and sacrifice his game a little bit to accommodate his teammates more. Piling up assists doesn't always mean a player is unselfish. Sometimes unselfishness also means allowing your teammates to be play-makers as well, not just feeding them easy buckets.
Jamstone, what other playmakers are on the Hornets? David West?
Fair point. Last year, really only him and Collison and David West.
But like I said, sometimes swinging the ball is the right play just to make the defense have to react instead of holding the ball looking for a direct assist to pile up. When you dribble the shot clock down and stay on one side of the offense, the offense stagnates and the weakside defenders don't even have to move. You do bring up that fair point that the Hornets don't really have other guys to play through. However, to me, Paul still over-dribbles and stagnates the offense unnecessarily at times.
Amen.
You beat me to it. It is possible to be the best player and STILL be overrated. If someone argues that Kobe is a top 5 or top 10 player all-time, but think that those who put him in the same sentence as MJ, are overrating him, would you say that was unreasonable?
Lebron is the most amazing natural talent I have ever seen in basketball. But as a player, factoring fundamentals and skill level he IS overrated.
Lebron in his defense, is also a victim of the ESPN hype and of his own amazing ECF performance vs the Pistons.
Funny thing is Lebron, surpassed the hype he had in HS ...he has been even better than most thought. But when you consider him against the GOAT (which i did myself after that ECF) he comes up way short ...
And all though numbers point to him as the best player in the league, I have a hard time accepting that with the holes in his game and the empty trophy case. Others feel he already is the best and I see why they do he makes amazing plays nightly ...but he is definitely overrated.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 08-25-2010 at 01:17 PM.
Rosen is not th end-all be all. But the guy does know basketball.
He has called out Kobe on many occasions and I am sure that if I posted those ...many on here would agree. (many on Lakerground hate him) Thing is, he has a long relationship with Phil Jackson, so rosen will ALWAYS applaud ball movement over pound the rock play-making. Larry brown and Phil are his basketball Gods ...
Yes, you can use numbers to refute some of what he says but what criticism did he make here that was way off base? If you buy the premise that someone can be the best but STILL be overrated ...than why does that exempt Paul and Lebron?
Rosen never said they werent any good, he just said they are overrated ...and in most of the cases, on this list I agree. For the record Kobe and Duncan are overrated a bit as well... just not as much as the guys on this list.
Is anybody more overrated than Charley Rosen?
Everything he writes is so tainted with purple and gold that it's not worth reading.
Well said
Killa, he's been spoiling his fans too much. Just like he said.
LOL ...funny thing is, I wasnt trying to defend him or bash him, just trying to be fair.
LOL: Heat now have two of the most overrated players, according to Rosen. Sounds about right, too.
The ESPN on ABC.
Not really? TRIANGLE! Geez, did you ever watch the Bulls pass the basketball. , haven't you seen the Lakers? It's about passing, knowing where you are in relationship to the other player and keeping spacing. PJ's revolution in the game was on the offensive end.LeHype shouldn't need an offensive coach since he is "the best in the game." Is Phil Jax a great offensive coach? Not really, yet Kobe thrives. Imagine him being the shooting guard for Phoenix. The problem with LeHype is a good defensive team can exploit "LeBron ball" -- you know the drill: 4 guys go into 4 corners to spot up, while LeHype takes his man off the dribble for the dunk, drive and kick, or the foul (plus the and-1 -- which makes sports center highlights on the regular). That don't work in the playoffs. Without a good lowpost threat, that won't work in South Beach either. They can't demand a double from the post nor can they defend the post because they have doughnut in the middle.
LeHype shoots 53% in the post is a fallacy. He dunks alot. Early and often. That's what's saving his shooting percentage. if they banned dunking, he would be out of a job (ditto for DWhistle) because he can't shoot consistently.
LeHype is not a dominant defender. Don't let those sportscenter highlights of him coming from the blindside to block someone's shot fool you. Put it like this, if Miami puts him on Kobe all game long, and don't "hide" him (or DWhistle) I guarantee you he will either get roasted, or foul out. Guaranteed.
The only crime Mike Brown should be convicted of was that he let LeHype have his way for far too long. , the whole Cavs organization have themselves to blame for this mess. Mike Brown is a coach from right under Pop's coaching staff, so we know he knows his X's and O's. He should have hardly been the scape goat for the Cavs' demise. But we will see soon enough whether LeHype is worth all the ruckus in these playoffs. He has "superstar" talent type help this time around. Many people outside of LA would argue he is better than Kobe and that DWhistle/Bosh >> Gasol/Bynum. So when they don't win this year (or next), maybe he can shed his "Chosen One" label for good. A "king" with no ring. Imagine that.
Rosen does know a lot and usually does have a point.
but
he is that much of an attention , that he thinks he always needs to play this: I speak out what none else even dares to think. and this makes him construct such stupid and totally out of proportion articles.
You are trying to hard. One guy on that list has 5 rings. The others have none. No one that has won as much as Kobe has belongs on an overrated list comprised of nothing but ringless players.
Don't be dumb. The Bulls/Lakers triangle offense is Tex Winter's baby and the "triangle" has been ran in NBA long before PJ became a head coach.
Don't worry guys. Lebron is taking notes.
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