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    DerrrrrrrrrrrRRRRR!


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/op...rssnyt&emc=rss



    What will Ben Bernanke, the Fed chairman, say in his big speech Friday in Jackson Hole, Wyo.? Will he hint at new steps to boost the economy? Stay tuned.

    But we can safely predict what he and other officials will say about where we are right now: that the economy is continuing to recover, albeit more slowly than they would like. Unfortunately, that’s not true: this isn’t a recovery, in any sense that matters. And policy makers should be doing everything they can to change that fact.

    The small sliver of truth in claims of continuing recovery is the fact that G.D.P. is still rising: we’re not in a classic recession, in which everything goes down. But so what?

    The important question is whether growth is fast enough to bring down sky-high unemployment. We need about 2.5 percent growth just to keep unemployment from rising, and much faster growth to bring it significantly down. Yet growth is currently running somewhere between 1 and 2 percent, with a good chance that it will slow even further in the months ahead. Will the economy actually enter a double dip, with G.D.P. shrinking? Who cares? If unemployment rises for the rest of this year, which seems likely, it won’t matter whether the G.D.P. numbers are slightly positive or slightly negative.

    All of this is obvious. Yet policy makers are in denial.

    After its last monetary policy meeting, the Fed released a statement declaring that it “anticipates a gradual return to higher levels of resource utilization” — Fedspeak for falling unemployment. Nothing in the data supports that kind of optimism. Meanwhile, Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, says that “we’re on the road to recovery.” No, we aren’t.

    Why are people who know better sugar-coating economic reality? The answer, I’m sorry to say, is that it’s all about evading responsibility.

    In the case of the Fed, admitting that the economy isn’t recovering would put the ins ution under pressure to do more. And so far, at least, the Fed seems more afraid of the possible loss of face if it tries to help the economy and fails than it is of the costs to the American people if it does nothing, and settles for a recovery that isn’t.

    In the case of the Obama administration, officials seem loath to admit that the original stimulus was too small. True, it was enough to limit the depth of the slump — a recent analysis by the Congressional Budget Office says unemployment would probably be well into double digits now without the stimulus — but it wasn’t big enough to bring unemployment down significantly.

    Now, it’s arguable that even in early 2009, when President Obama was at the peak of his popularity, he couldn’t have gotten a bigger plan through the Senate. And he certainly couldn’t pass a supplemental stimulus now. So officials could, with considerable justification, place the onus for the non-recovery on Republican obstructionism. But they’ve chosen, instead, to draw smiley faces on a grim picture, convincing nobody. And the likely result in November — big gains for the obstructionists — will paralyze policy for years to come.

    So what should officials be doing, aside from telling the truth about the economy?

    The Fed has a number of options. It can buy more long-term and private debt; it can push down long-term interest rates by announcing its intention to keep short-term rates low; it can raise its medium-term target for inflation, making it less attractive for businesses to simply sit on their cash. Nobody can be sure how well these measures would work, but it’s better to try something that might not work than to make excuses while workers suffer.

    The administration has less freedom of action, since it can’t get legislation past the Republican blockade. ( o, supermajority) But it still has options. It can revamp its deeply unsuccessful attempt to aid troubled homeowners. It can use Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored lenders, to engineer mortgage refinancing that puts money in the hands of American families (Good God -- this man is insane) — yes, Republicans will howl, but they’re doing that anyway. It can finally get serious about confronting China over its currency manipulation: how many times do the Chinese have to promise to change their policies, then renege, before the administration decides that it’s time to act?

    Which of these options should policy makers pursue? If I had my way, all of them.

    I know what some players both at the Fed and in the administration will say: they’ll warn about the risks of doing anything unconventional. But we’ve already seen the consequences of playing it safe, and waiting for recovery to happen all by itself: it’s landed us in what looks increasingly like a permanent state of stagnation and high unemployment. It’s time to admit that what we have now isn’t a recovery, and do whatever we can to change that situation.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Republicans will whine, moan, and complain no matter what so f*ck them.
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    Why do you have a problem with what he proposes? Can you give details?

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    Why do you have a problem with what he proposes? Can you give details?

    Dude wants to double down on Keynesian economics. 'Nuff said.

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    Can you explain why that would be a bad choice?

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    Can you explain why that would be a bad choice?
    Can you explain why that would be a good choice?

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    I never said it would be a good choice. You, however, pointed out it was a bad choice. I would like to see your justification for your opinion.

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    Summer of "recovery"


    "progress"ives make me chuckle.

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    ya got Repug in your ears, and Repug for brains.

    The stimulus succeeded as far as it went, in spite of the lies Repugs are spewing about its "failure".

    The Repugs don't want America to be successful. The more Repug failures the Repugs can falsely stick Magic Negro with, the more stupid Americans will blame them and up by voting for Repugs.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I never said it would be a good choice. You, however, pointed out it was a bad choice. I would like to see your justification for your opinion.
    You know as well as I do that meany dead enders on this board make stupid accusations that can't be backed up... they simply run away from threads when called on it..

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    America, AND Europe, are now making exactly the same mistake that FDR made in the late 30s, by cutting govt spending while trying to make a recovery. After FDR's stimulus got stuff moving again, he shut it down, and killed the recovery. The WWII came along as another stimulus and HUGE DEFICIT producer.

    The problem NOW isn't the deficit, it surely isn't inflation (deflation is looking probable and is a much worse problem the inflation), the problem is reducing private spending due to 20m+ US un/underemployed, their lost income taxes making non-Federal deficits worse.

    What are the Repugs' solutions for getting the ecomony into recovery mode? (as if they gave a , which they don't)

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    You know as well as I do that meany dead enders on this board make stupid accusations that can't be backed up... they simply run away from threads when called on it..

    I don't have to write some ing essay on Keyesian economics just because some board like Manny or ChumpDump demands it.

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    ask your boss for help.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I don't have to write some ing essay on Keyesian economics just because some board like Manny or ChumpDump demands it.
    What is insensitive about the mosque?? Specifically

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    What is insensitive about the mosque?? Specifically

    Proximity and scale.

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    I don't have to write some ing essay on Keyesian economics just because some board like Manny or ChumpDump demands it.
    You don't have to do anything. There is a difference between don't have to and can't, however. You don't oppose this out of understanding, you oppose it because Krugman said it and because you don't like him (which you don't really have sound reasons for either).

    Won't != Can't

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    You don't have to do anything. There is a difference between don't have to and can't, however. You don't oppose this out of understanding, you oppose it because Krugman said it and because you don't like him (which you don't really have sound reasons for either).

    Won't != Can't

    How about, I don't like the same policies that prolonged the Great Depression?

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    Proximity and scale.
    What about thed proximity is insensitive?

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    What about thed proximity is insensitive?

    Maybe I need to use smaller words.

    It's too close and too big.

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    How about, I don't like the same policies that prolonged the Great Depression?

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    Maybe I need to use smaller words.

    It's too close and too big.
    those nitpickers!

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Maybe I need to use smaller words.

    It's too close and too big.
    Its 2 blocks away. Its fine

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    You don't oppose this out of understanding, you oppose it because Krugman said it and because you don't like him (which you don't really have sound reasons for either).

    It is fun to see Krugman fail in public.


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    Darrin posting a youtube yet can't explain himself. Par for the course.

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