The last refuge of a liberal

[Winehole23]

You're a bs propagator, Darrin. Now you wanna be the umpire for the whole conversation. Hilarious.

[DarrinS]

In addition to you,

That's still not working.

who else do you think is palying the race card

Seriously? In the last two years, you haven't heard anyone on the left using charges of biggotry to smear their political opponents? Have you been living under a rock?

[Parker2112]

[Parker2112]

and the horse is DarrinS.

[Winehole23]

Still not talking to the only guy who had anything intelligent to say. Why am i not surprised?

[DarrinS]

Only dummies say like that. But I salute your balls for insulting the intelligence of all the other posters in this thread beside FWD, all at once.

Well, so far, all responses have either

a) reinforced Krauthammer's thesis
b) accuse me of playing the race card
c) re ed photos that have no relation to the OP

[Blake]

That's still not working.

What's not working?

Seriously? In the last two years, you haven't heard anyone on the left using charges of biggotry to smear their political opponents? Have you been living under a rock?

in. this. thread.

who is playing race cards?

[Parker2112]

...
c) re ed photos that contribute some value to this worthless thread, even if that value is limited to a chuckle

[Parker2112]

glad I could help!

[Winehole23]

(burp)

[DarrinS]

What's not working?

You're accusing me race baiting.

in. this. thread.

who is playing race cards?

Krauthammer's OpEd is not about people in this thread. Or, did I misinterpret it?

[Parker2112]

worth the watch!

[ChumpDumper]

It must be frustrating to keep throwing that , hoping in vain that it will stick.

Nah, it sticks. You play the race card.

It's the same frustration that the left must be feeling by continually throwing out charges of biggotry, whilst the economy collapses and The One's approval and party crumbles.

Well, you have proved yourself a bigot as well.

I don't give much of a crap about the Democratic party or Obama's approval rating. Sorry to disappoint you.

And the economy "collapsed" a couple of years ago. Thanks for noticing.

[Blackjack]

Krauthammer's both right and wrong.

Right in that the lemmings result to name-calling and dismissing an opposing viewpoint, whilst claiming to be liberal, open-minded thinkers; wrong in believeing the mosque/community center shouldn't be built.

You should never do the right thing for the wrong reasons.

You allow the mosque to be built because it's the right thing to do. They have a right to build it. And even if that allows Islamic extremists to claim some kind of victory or puff out their chests as a good ol' F-U to the States, it's still the right thing to do. And you certainly don't allow it to be built on account of some kind of feared potential perception from the outside world -- the US may lead and need to set the standard but make no mistake, America does still lead and provide the freest most tolerant country there is. Last I checked, America wasn't stoning people and punishing crimes (including sexuality, promiscuity and religious "failings") eye-for-an-eye or withholding the most basic rights for women and minorities.

One's personal morals/values/insensitivities don't always coincide with doing the right thing. The right thing is always the right thing, regardless of repercussion or consequence. But at the same time, just as morals/values/insensitivities don't always fall on the "right" side, neither do legal ones. Neither legality or morality can be lumped into the "right" category. There are always exceptions.

But this comes to what this country was founded on and the reason for the initial colonization: freedom of religion; freedom period.

If all the legal measures have been taken and met qualification for the mosque/community center, then it stands to reason they should have the right to build.

You don't have to like it or believe it's not in poor taste ... but it is the "right" thing to do.

[Blake]

piece that includes race baiting, sexual baiting, and Islamophobe baiting:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082605233.html

[ChumpDumper]

lol "whilst"

[DarrinS]

Krauthammer's both right and wrong.

Right in that the lemmings result to name-calling and dismissing an opposing viewpoint, whilst claiming to be liberal, open-minded thinkers; wrong in believeing the mosque/community center shouldn't be built.

You should never do the right thing for the wrong reasons.

You allow the mosque to be built because it's the right thing to do. They have a right to build it. And even if that allows Islamic extremists to claim some kind of victory or puff out their chests as a good ol' F-U to the States, it's still the right thing to do. And you certainly don't allow it to be built on account of some kind of feared potential perception from the outside world -- the US may lead and need to set the standard but make no mistake, America does still lead and provide the freest most tolerant country there is. Last I checked, America wasn't stoning people and punishing crimes (including sexuality, promiscuity and religious "failings") eye-for-an-eye or withholding the most basic rights for women and minorities.

One's personal morals/values/insensitivities don't always coincide with doing the right thing. The right thing is always the right thing, regardless of repercussion or consequence. But at the same time, just as morals/values/insensitivities don't always fall on the "right" side, neither do legal ones. Neither legality or morality can be lumped into the "right" category. There are always exceptions.

But this comes to what this country was founded on and the reason for the initial colonization: freedom of religion; freedom period.

If all the legal measures have been taken and met qualification for the mosque/community center, then it stands to reason they should have the right to build.

You don't have to like it or believe it's not in poor taste ... but it is the "right" thing to do.

[Blake]

Krauthammer's both right and wrong.

Right in that the lemmings result to name-calling and dismissing an opposing viewpoint, whilst claiming to be liberal, open-minded thinkers; wrong in believeing the mosque/community center shouldn't be built.

what do you personally think the reason is that people don't want the mosque to be built near Ground Zero?

[DarrinS]

lol "whilst"

lol ChumpDumper

[boutons_deux]

Yahoo! News, August 12, 2010:

A new CNN poll has found that most Americans think gays and lesbians should have a cons utional right to get married. . . . As polling-statistics blogger Nate Silver points out, the margin of error [as well as the poll's status as the first to find majority approval] means we can't assume that a majority of Americans support gay marriage, but it is "no longer safe to say that opposition to same-sex marriage is the majority position . . . . "

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...mer/index.html

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(at least one) Big Lie from Krauthammer

[Parker2112]

lol kitten sommersaults!

[rjv]

Krauthammer's both right and wrong.

Right in that the lemmings result to name-calling and dismissing an opposing viewpoint, whilst claiming to be liberal, open-minded thinkers;

so then they are just lemmings. since, darrin saluted your post he should rename this thread : "the last refuge of a lemming"

[DarrinS]

Yahoo! News, August 12, 2010:

A new CNN poll has found that most Americans think gays and lesbians should have a cons utional right to get married. . . . As polling-statistics blogger Nate Silver points out, the margin of error [as well as the poll's status as the first to find majority approval] means we can't assume that a majority of Americans support gay marriage, but it is "no longer safe to say that opposition to same-sex marriage is the majority position . . . . "

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...mer/index.html

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(at least one) Big Lie from Krauthammer

It would be a lie if Krauthammer actually said that.

As for Proposition 8, is it so hard to see why people might believe that a single judge overturning the will of 7 million voters is an affront to democracy? And that seeing merit in retaining the structure of the most ancient and fundamental of all social ins utions is something other than an alleged hatred of gays -- particularly since the opposite-gender requirement has characterized virtually every society in all the millennia until just a few years ago?

[Blake]

so then they are just lemmings.

apparently Blackjack "results" to name-calling as well.

[LnGrrrR]

It's too close and too big.

You damn Muslims aren't a real religion, like Christianity.

Now, if you want to build a proper Christian church, go ahead. Make it as big as you want. This is God's country after all.