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    I personally believe it's an emotional issue, one that tends to devolve in a moral issue
    what's the moral issue?

    or just the belief that anything having a hint of insensitivity to the victims of 9-11 or would be seen as a slap in the face to Americans at large, would be better off built elsewhere.
    It's insensitive because it's a Muslim mosque?

    If it's a YMCA, I'm very sure there is no outcry.

    What else is it but racist?

    It's hard to reconcile -- with some -- that even a minority of a faith or religion that perpetrated such a crime could stand to gain any kind of boost or benefit from such a project. That's the crux for most I believe, even if they don't exactly have the ability or willingness to explore their thoughts. It's just and emotional and even sometimes, guttural, reaction.
    right, and from the information we have so far, apparently these guttural reactions are based on Islamophobia and/or racism.

    You can't paint emotion with the same broad brush, as their are legitimate and illegitimate reasons for all involved, so to dismiss all that oppose as racists or Islamaphobes is -- at best -- disingenuous.
    So the question again is, what are the legitmate reasons for getting butthurt about a mosque near ground zero?

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    It's not a freedom of religion issue.

    Hence my question that you still haven't answered.
    Property rights. Please catch up.

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    Blake.

    Posters' names are in the upper left hand corner of the posts.

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    It's their property. They can do as they damn well please with it.

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    It's their property. They can do as they damn well please with it.
    Really? Then why can't the Greek Orthodox church, flattened by one of the Trade Center Towers, rebuild?

    Why can't Israelis build in Jerusalem?

    It's their property, they should be able to do as they damn well please with it, no?

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    It's their property. They can do as they damn well please with it.

    No one disputes its legality, that I know of.

    And I'm sure it will really help the nice Imam achieve his so-called mission. It's really just a giant olive branch.

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    Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

    darrins won't man up and admit that because the terrorists were muslims he doesn't want a muslim place of worship near ground zero.

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    Property rights. Please catch up.
    I'll catch up when you do the same with my question. We can move the goal posts after that happens, if you'd like.

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    Really? Then why can't the Greek Orthodox church, flattened by one of the Trade Center Towers, rebuild?
    I wasn't aware they can't. Why can't they?

    Why can't Israelis build in Jerusalem?

    It's their property, they should be able to do as they damn well please with it, no?
    Is Jerusalem a suburb of New York?

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    Really? Then why can't the Greek Orthodox church, flattened by one of the Trade Center Towers, rebuild?

    Why can't Israelis build in Jerusalem?

    It's their property, they should be able to do as they damn well please with it, no?
    Did any of those churches buy the building that Mosque will use?

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    Really? Then why can't the Greek Orthodox church, flattened by one of the Trade Center Towers, rebuild?

    Why can't Israelis build in Jerusalem?

    It's their property, they should be able to do as they damn well please with it, no?
    Municipal compliance is a .

    Cordoba Center is slightly more with it than the Greek Orthodox Church it would appear. Thems the breaks. Nobody ever said it was fair.

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    I'll catch up when you do the same with my question. We can move the goal posts after that happens, if you'd like.
    It's simple, you tie the mosque(Islam) to the terrorists. Just man up and admit it... either that explain exactly what is insensitive about a place of worship being built there..

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    I'll catch up when you do the same with my question. We can move the goal posts after that happens, if you'd like.
    It seems to be a religious issue for the Islamophobes. Not a property rights issue at all.

    What was your point again?

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    Oh goody. Now pedophiles can buy a big plot of land and do whatever they damn well please there. Maybe KkK groups will run with wineholes logic.


    It's their property. They can do as they damn well please with it.

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    I'll catch up when you do the same with my question. We can move the goal posts after that happens, if you'd like.
    If you just want to pretend to have a conversation I would assure you two can play that game. Carry on.

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    It seems to be a religious issue for the Islamophobes. Not a property rights issue at all.

    What was your point again?
    They are not Islamaphobes, they just don't want a Muslim place of worship there because Muslims caused the problem...

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    Oh goody. Now pedophiles can buy a big plot of land and do whatever they damn well please there. Maybe KkK groups will run with wineholes logic.
    they can buy land and do what they want with it..

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    Oh goody. Now pedophiles can buy a big plot of land and do whatever they damn well please there. Maybe KkK groups will run with wineholes logic.
    We're talking about the Cordoba Center ok? The building at the center of this furore.

    'member?

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    We're talking about the Cordoba Center ok? The building at the center of this furore.

    'member?

    actually your logic is simple, if they can legally build there they should be able to.

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    Oh goody. Now pedophiles can buy a big plot of land and do whatever they damn well please there. Maybe KkK groups will run with wineholes logic.
    Yes, pedophiles can buy a big plot of land and do whatever they damn well please within city zoning codes.

    Oh goody for you!

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    It seems to be a religious issue for the Islamophobes. Not a property rights issue at all.

    What was your point again?
    If you read what I've posted you'd know what my point is. Really don't have a point. Just stating this is not a freedom of religion issue. Is that hard to comprehend? If you have a gotch question then feel free and fire away.

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    If you read what I've posted you'd know what my point is. Really don't have a point. Just stating this is not a freedom of religion issue. Is that hard to comprehend? If you have a gotch question then feel free and fire away.
    They are not Islamaphobes, they just don't want a Muslim place of worship there because Muslims caused the problem...
    we know what your position is

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    Viva is an idiot. Molesting little boys is a crime, on private property or otherwise. Worshipping Allah and playing basketball is not. The lengths of stupidity you idiots will go to, in order to justify your open racism, is heartbreaking. Fat, dumb and bigoted is no way to go through life, sons.

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    We're talking about the Cordoba Center ok? The building at the center of this furore.

    'member?
    You stated "property". Not "cordoba center". Or does that ruin your logic?

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