The last refuge of a liberal

[Blake]

You seemed to take offense, so I was left to ask if you were.

How did you come to that assumption?

I was laughing at the irony in your post. It's what I do when there is irony in a post.

[DarrinS]

I personally believe it's an emotional issue, one that tends to devolve in a moral issue, or just the belief that anything having a hint of insensitivity to the victims of 9-11 or would be seen as a slap in the face to Americans at large, would be better off built elsewhere.

It's hard to reconcile -- with some -- that even a minority of a faith or religion that perpetrated such a crime could stand to gain any kind of boost or benefit from such a project. That's the crux for most I believe, even if they don't exactly have the ability or willingness to explore their thoughts. It's just and emotional and even sometimes, guttural, reaction.

You can't paint emotion with the same broad brush, as their are legitimate and illegitimate reasons for all involved, so to dismiss all that oppose as racists or Islamaphobes is -- at best -- disingenuous.

Someone gets it.

[DarrinS]

Phony baloney media-assisted outrage doesn't trump property rights. Yet.

Phony baloney outrage felt by 70% of Americans.

[Winehole23]

(burp)

[Winehole23]

Phony baloney outrage felt by 70% of Americans.

Why not? Is there some law that says the majority can't be wrong?

[Winehole23]

Your own conduct nominates you for the abuse you receive here, Darrin.

You keep putting yourself out there for it, all the while soliciting sympathy for your hurt feelings and insulted personal character.

/crocodile tears

[rjv]

Someone gets it.

yes, but is just as disingenous to infer that all of those who are against this opposition have illegitimate or erroneous reasons for their stance against that opposition. it is equally disingenous to assert that those who argue against these opponents have categorized the former in one specific set defined by racism or islamophobia.

[DarrinS]

Your own conduct nominates you for the abuse you receive here, Darrin.

You keep putting yourself out there for it, all the while soliciting sympathy for your hurt feelings and insulted personal character.

/crocodile tears

Thanks, Dad.

[DarrinS]

yes, but is just as disingenous to infer that all of those who are against this opposition have illegitimate or erroneous reasons for their stance against that opposition. it is equally disingenous to assert that those who argue against these opponents have categorized the former in one specific set defined by racism or islamophobia.

Who thinks that? I totally understand where the other side is coming from.

[rjv]

Who thinks that? I totally understand where the other side is coming from.

who posted this :

Keith Olbermann has the "last refuge of a liberal" down to an art form:

"In Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, phobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea bagging supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees."

this indicates that you agree with the premise of the article that you posted and have repeatedly defended.

so how is it you understand where the 'other side' is coming from? and exactly what ideological group populates this side? (lemmings?)

[Spurminator]

This whole time I didn't realize we were debating a Charles Krauthammer article. I feel like I've wasted a lot of time now. Somebody warn me next time.

[DarrinS]

who posted this :

this indicates that you agree with the premise of the article that you posted and have repeatedly defended.

so how is it you understand where the 'other side' is coming from? and exactly what ideological group populates this side? (lemmings?)

The thesis of the article isn't that the left doesn't have any valid arguments with respect to the issues -- it's that they completely DISREGARD the other sides' arguments as the crazy rants of racists, phobes, Islamophobes, xenophobes, etc.

The fact that you don't understand that, says something about you, not me.

[ChumpDumper]

The thesis of the article isn't that the left doesn't have any valid arguments with respect to the issues -- it's that they completely DISREGARD the other sides' arguments as the crazy rants of racists, phobes, Islamophobes, xenophobes, etc.

The fact that you don't understand that, says something about you, not me.

We gave you a chance to prove your position had nothing to do with Islamophobia when you were asked to explain the difference between Rauf's and Beck statements. You couldn't

Others may not be motivated by Islamophobia, but you most certainly are.

[clambake]

muslim extremists from saudi arabia.

thats a mind for the gop.

[DarrinS]

We gave you a chance to prove your position had nothing to do with Islamophobia when you were asked to explain the difference between Rauf's and Beck statements. You couldn't

Others may not be motivated by Islamophobia, but you most certainly are.

See what I mean. Krauthammer is right.


Probably 90% of the posts in this thread reinforce Krauthammer's OpEd.

[ChumpDumper]

See what I mean. Krauthammer is right.


Probably 90% of the posts in this thread reinforce Krauthammer OpEd.

What is the difference between Rauf's and Beck statements again?

You might want to read your response.

[LnGrrrR]

It most definitely is. The fact you don't see that just reinforces the belief that people protesting don't understand what freedom of religion is. You don't think dictating limits to where people can privately practice their religion is a violation of their rights??

So you must be steamed that people can no longer pray in schools. That they have to go down the street around the corner from anyones sight in order to do their God given right to pray. Huh?

Did they stop allowing prayer in private schools Viva?

[DarrinS]

Others may not be motivated by Islamophobia, but you most certainly are.

Since the OP is not about ME (I know you are obsessed with me, but get over it), please tell me what YOU think motivates "others" that oppose the Ground Zero mosque.

[DarrinS]

What is the difference between Rauf's and Beck statements again?

Nothing.


Is Beck building a 15-story mosque at Ground Zero?

[LnGrrrR]

The thesis of the article isn't that the left doesn't have any valid arguments with respect to the issues -- it's that they completely DISREGARD the other sides' arguments as the crazy rants of racists, phobes, Islamophobes, xenophobes, etc.

The fact that you don't understand that, says something about you, not me.

So what is the argument then? Feel free to lay it out. I mean other than, "Some people who practice Islam caused 9/11, therefore, we should not build this mosque here".

[ChumpDumper]

Since the OP is not about ME (I know you are obsessed with me, but get over it), please tell me what YOU think motivates "others" that oppose the Ground Zero mosque.

I think many people have many reasons.

Yours is Islamophobia.

I'm sure others share your Islamophobia, so you can feel good about that.

[DarrinS]

I think many people have many reasons.

Yours is Islamophobia.

I'm sure others share your Islamophobia, so you can feel good about that.

What might their reasons be?

[ChumpDumper]

What might their reasons be?

I don't know. If you really want to know, you should ask every American.

I wanted to know your reason.

And now I know.

Your reason is Islamophobia.

[LnGrrrR]

Nothing.

Is Beck building a 15-story mosque at Ground Zero?

So your argument is that, because Rauf said some (possibly) unpatriotic statements, he should morally decide to not build a mosque there.

But what do his statements have to do with it being a mosque? I mean, would you oppose the building if it were, say, a church? If you think it shouldn't be built because he opposes America or something similar, you would then oppose any building he wanted there, right?

[DarrinS]

So what is the argument then? Feel free to lay it out. I mean other than, "Some people who practice Islam caused 9/11, therefore, we should not build this mosque here".

A VERY large scale mosque being built VERY near to where 3000 Americans were killed in the name of Islam (not necessarily by Islam) seems in poor taste to some. But, they have every right to build it. Move it a couple miles away and I don't see a problem with it.