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When have I ever questioned Kobe's work ethic?..
One year? So you are saying one years stat trumps carrer stats. You are making yourself look like the fool we all know you to be.Um, I have the same scouting videos and stats that the NBA guys use, and I've already posted Lebron's post-up numbers here..he shot 53% in post-up situations this season, one of the highest marks in the NBA..aesthetics doesn't equal effectiveness..you literally can't argue with these numbers, I don't know what you could possibly come up with to argue here..especially since your arguments are always very poor, and they're always done by using unprovable and unquantifiable points..
Lebron in 2010: 33% from 3s on 387 attempts..
Kobe in 2010: 32.9% from 3s on 301 attempts..
Lebron is a better 3-point shooter, fact..
I showed you the provable and quantifiable career numbers for 3 pt % and Kobe is the better 3pt shooter. FACT.
Shooting 53% in post up situations. if that is even a real number in no way states he has a good post up game. Like I said, when he is isolated in the post he simply faces up and overpowers the opponent due to his size and atheletic abilities. Not to mention the refs turning a blind eye to his constant traveling in the lane. He is after all the crab dribbler. Imagine if he developed post moves like MJ, Kobe, Mchale, Akeem etc. He would be unstoppable. Just because he can score from the post area in no way shape or form implies that he has a good post game and as usual the majority of fans and knowledgable basketball people disagree with YOU. Go figure...
When have I ever questioned Kobe's work ethic?..
I'm using the shooting %s from this past season, for obvious reasons..those are the latest shooting %s we've seen from Kobe and Lebron..One year? So you are saying one years stat trumps carrer stats. You are making yourself look like the fool we all know you to be.
Ok..I'll show you Shaq's career numbers vs. Pau Gasol's career numbers, and you tell me which player is currently better at certain things..I showed you the provable and quantifiable career numbers for 3 pt % and Kobe is the better 3pt shooter. FACT.
Shooting 53% in post up situations. if that is even a real number in no way states he has a good post up game. Like I said, when he is isolated in the post he simply faces up and overpowers the opponent due to his size and atheletic abilities. Not to mention the refs turning a blind eye to his constant traveling in the lane. He is after all the crab dribbler. Imagine if he developed post moves like MJ, Kobe, Mchale, Akeem etc. He would be unstoppable. Just because he can score from the post area in no way shape or form implies that he has a good post game and as usual the majority of fans and knowledgable basketball people disagree with YOU. Go figure
If a guy shoots 53% from the post, one of the highest marks for a perimeter player in the entire NBA, he's obviously doing something right..I don't see how it's arguable in any way, it's a ing fact
I don't give a if a guy has amazing footwork and counter move after counter move in the post..all I care about is how effective he is, obviously, which is the only thing anybody should care about..Lebron has shown that he's very effective in the post, fact..
Should they dress like slaves then?
Yes, b/c LBJ is apparently a multi-million dollar slave according to some peopleShould they dress like slaves then?
Lebron was treated like a slave by Dan Gilbert..
And it in no way determines who is the better 3 point shooter. That you can even try to justify this pathetic attempt to skew facts is even below you normal moronic takes.
You didnt say Lebron was the best 3 pt shooter this year. You said flat out he is the best 3 point shooter between the two. But let's use your logic and say the same thing then and make the blanket statement....
Pau is the greater player between him and Shaq.
You twist everything and think you actaully have made some point or something when all you do is again you look the fool. I imagaine its how you justify Lebrons 0-for life.
I never said he wasn't effective. Show me where I did. I said, Imagine if he really worked and created a post game with more than one move. I even stated he would be unstoppable. Not a lot different than Shaq. Never felt he had to improve and develop due to his freakish physical attributes.
The point is... he could be so much better and his post game is very limited.
Who disputed it? Why are you so defensive? He has a limited post game and if he worked on it he woould be that much better. He doesn't. Just accept it and move on.If a guy shoots 53% from the post, one of the highest marks for a perimeter player in the entire NBA, he's obviously doing something right..I don't see how it's arguable in any way, it's a ing fact
So... you dont think he would be MORE effective if he had better moves? It's been discussed ad naseum that he has never developed an "overall" post game. Come on Ho... even you can't be this stupid. Then again....
And I dont give a if a guy shoots 10% or 60%. I care about les and that's something Lebron SUCKS at. And maybe if he spent the time developing his game instead of pre game spoofs and dancing routines he would have shot 55% and actually advanced in the playoffs.
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a collectors item?
Well that's one collectors item I won't be getting. I'll stick to not reading about players and stick to reading about the more important stuff like cd's, bands, concerts and all that great stuff, which has more down to earth people and people who will give you the time of day.
Kobe shot 34.3% from three point range for 2009-10.
LeBron shot 34.1% from three point range for 2009-10.
You don't have to qualify anything.
Last season, Kobe was still a better three point shooter than LeBron. It's fact.
was he the most pretty handsome slave ever?
So Lebron was treated like a slave? Well if he was tell me where to sign up I want the kind of money he makes
SERIOUSLY did you just post that? I am not saying you CAN'T post or say that another man is handsome and be "straight" but after posting all this "mancrush" love about Lebron's game and to post that he is handsome?Lebron is pretty handsome, TBH..
Huh?..did you want him to wear rags and sagging jeans?..
I disagree..Lebron has been voted one of the best dressed men on the planet, he knows style..choosing to go with such a variety of different looks shows confidence IMO..
I know you aren't the smartest guy around, but I've already shown you that Lebron has a good post-up game, I provided you facts that prove that he has a good post-up game..you argued back with nothing, literally nothing..he's also a better 3-point shooter than Kobe, so I don't know why you would go there..
I think that Lebron should be worried that he is eminem and you are "stan".
For real though tone it down some. We know you a Lebron fan, but have some dignity ...
LOL better 3 point shooter and Post-game? LMAO watch the game dont just bury your head in stats ...Um, I have the same scouting videos and stats that the NBA guys use, and I've already posted Lebron's post-up numbers here..he shot 53% in post-up situations this season, one of the highest marks in the NBA..aesthetics doesn't equal effectiveness..you literally can't argue with these numbers, I don't know what you could possibly come up with to argue here
Lebron in 2010: 33% from 3s on 387 attempts..
Kobe in 2010: 32.9% from 3s on 301 attempts..
Lebron is a better 3-point shooter, fact..
Now if you said he finishes at the rim better (drives, posts and dunks included) than i would agree 100%
Pretty sure he's also the best-dressed slave.
It's very difficult to see the shackles under the 3,000 dollar suits!
I don't like using playoff sample sizes, because the overall playoffs is a quarter of the regular season, assuming you make it all the way to the Finals..I don't mind if you use it in the argument though, it doesn't really change anything..
The fact that there's a 0.2 different in Kobe and Lebron's outside shooting, yet Kobe is praised for his outside shooting and Lebron is criticized for his, speaks volumes on the false perception..they're about the same as outside shooters, so I don't know why people keep criticizing Lebron for his shooting and praising Kobe..
Money has little to do with it..Lebron has dignity, it's not all about money..come on bballgirl, stop being so shallow..So Lebron was treated like a slave? Well if he was tell me where to sign up I want the kind of money he makes
I'm comfortable enough with my sexuality that I can say that another man is handsome..
I feel like Lebron is a slightly better 3-point shooter, but either way, they're about the same..as for post-up game, I never said Lebron had a better post-up game than Kobe, I said I feel like Kobe's is slightly better, which is proven..
Huh?..my stats come directly from watching the games..they're based on every situation in which a player is involved in, and in this case, we're talking about post-up plays..
I could care less if your sexuality is a sweet as alize or project kool-aid... All i'm saying is that you have become way to infatuated with Lebron, when you are saying that he is "quite handsome". I can respect arguing the bball part, but why would you care if some haters call Lebron ugly? Like i posted in another thread ...when you are not hating you are a good poster and i know you like to troll, but the Lebron love Kobe hate thing is starting to get a bit creepy especially the love you shower lebbron with daily on here
harlem's schtick is getting boring
My comment about Lebron being handsome was in response to a poster calling him ugly..why is it acceptable for somebody to call a man ugly, but not acceptable to call him handsome?..
LOL Im not picking sides here, just askiing why do you care so much?
Before, i used to defend the Kobe is a rapist stuff ...Now? ICCL ... Kobe is a ball player and is not dating my sister.
Personally i think Lebron is ugly ...but he can get way more women than me because of money, success and his physique ...so who cares, he probably turns down woman finer than the best looking chick i have ever been with ..
So what does it matter if he is ugly or not? that money looks pretty damn sexy to lot's women ...and he has a body builders physique ...
It's not "just" the playoff sample sizes. It's the playoffs + regular season. Makes for a pretty big sample size. There's no reason not to consider the playoffs three point shooting, not by themselves, but along with the regular season three point shooting. The playoffs are part of the season, and most would agree that playoff stats are more genuine because it's better compe ion and teams are playing harder and better defensively.
If you add the three point shooting of both the regular season and the playoffs, Kobe was a better three point shooter last year than LeBron. Of course, unless you approach it the way LeBron approaches winning, and you simply want to pretend the playoffs don't count.
At any rate, it's disappointing to see you use a "stats only" argument as non-refutable proof. As with most things when analyzing and evaluating basketball, you cannot simply rely on stats. They often help, but they don't always tell the entire story. Take for example Arron Afflalo's three point shooting last season. He shot 43.4% from three point range with a healthy 249 attempts. I'm sorry but Arron Afflalo is not a better three point shooter than guys like Steve Nash, JJ Re , Paul Pierce, Dirk Nowitzki, and Anthony Parker. His stats were better last year. But you also have to factor in that Afflalo almost always only shot a three point attempt when his feet were set, spotting up in the corner and from a pass. He rarely, I'd be surprised if ever, created the three point shot off the dribble in an isolation. I doubt he ever took a bad three point attempt as far as being defended unless the shot clock was winding down. His great three point shooting percentage last season does not mean he's a better three point shooter than Steve Nash. It's poor Hollinger statistical analysis and evaluation to only look at the stats to come to that conclusion without understanding that other variables factor in.
Kobe is a better three point shooter than LeBron, despite what last season's numbers say, whether they were close or not.
Jam with the goods again! And there is no argument Hoboy can use to refute the post. And to top it all. Jam's gold medal trumps the silver!
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