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So now American Muslims have to answer for attacks foreign Muslims have made on foreign lands?
Bigot.
So now American Muslims have to answer for attacks foreign Muslims have made on foreign lands?
Bigot.
yes, you failed at telling us about dublin.
suddenly darrin has extended his definition of terrorism to include attacks outside the US (unless these acts do not include muslims-which is impossible anyway because, although the US state department and FBI list non muslim groups as terrorist organizations, that would hinder darrins' non testability trait when it comes to his 'premises' and he would have to look the other way and ignore these facts)
see mohammed run. see darrin scream 'terrorist'. see right wing fanatic blow up building. see darrin say 'huh ?'
Do you think that terrorist attacks on foreign soil are not terrorist attacks?
i think they are but you might have to ask yourself what you think:
that definition definitely became more liberal when it suddenly pertained to muslims. unless, the bombings in moscow and algeria affected US interests (if so, please let us know all the details of each and every one of the incidents you copy and pasted from what i am sure was an extremely neutral site)
Man Already Knows Everything He Needs To Know About Muslims
AUGUST 30, 2010 | ISSUE 46•35
Gentries made a conscious decision to stop learning anything new about the Muslim faith on May 22, 2005.
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SALINA, KS—Local man Scott Gentries told reporters Wednesday that his deliberately limited grasp of Islamic history and culture was still more than sufficient to shape his views of the entire Muslim world.
Gentries, 48, said he had absolutely no interest in exposing himself to further knowledge of Islamic civilization or putting his sweeping opinions into a broader context of any kind, and confirmed he was "perfectly happy" to make a handful of emotionally charged words the basis of his mistrust toward all members of the world's second-largest religion.
"I learned all that really matters about the Muslim faith on 9/11," Gentries said in reference to the terrorist attacks on the United States undertaken by 19 of Islam's approximately 1.6 billion prac ioners. "What more do I need to know to stigmatize Muslims everywhere as inherently violent radicals?"
"And now they want to build a mosque at Ground Zero," continued Gentries, eliminating any distinction between the 9/11 hijackers and Muslims in general. "No, I won't examine the accuracy of that statement, but yes, I will allow myself to be outraged by it and use it as evidence of these people's universal callousness toward Americans who lost loved ones when the Twin Towers fell."
"Even though I am not one of those people," he added.
When told that the proposed "Ground Zero mosque" is actually a community center two blocks north of the site that would include, in addition to a public prayer space, a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant, and athletic facilities, Gentries shook his head and said, "I know all I'm going to let myself know."
Gentries explained that it "didn't take long" to find out as much about the tenets of Islam as he needed to. He said he knew Muslims stoned their women for committing adultery, trained for terrorist attacks at fundamentalist madrassas, and believed in jihad, which Gentries described as the thing they used to justify killing infidels.
"All Muslims are at war with America, and I will resist any attempt to challenge that assertion with potentially illuminating facts," said Gentries, who threatened to leave the room if presented with the number of Muslims who live peacefully in the United States, serve in the country's armed forces, or were victims themselves of the 9/11 attacks. "Period."
"If you don't believe me, wait until they put your wife in a burka," Gentries continued in reference to the face-and-body-covering worn by a small minority of Muslim women and banned in the universities of Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria. "Or worse, a rape camp. That's right: For reasons I am content being totally unable to articulate, I am choosing to associate Muslims with rape camps."
Over the past decade, Gentries said he has taken pains to avoid personal interactions or media that might have the potential to compromise his point of view. He told reporters that the closest he had come to confronting a contrary standpoint was tuning in to the first few seconds of an interview with a moderate Muslim cleric before hastily turning off the television.
"I almost gave in and listened to that guy defend Islam with words I didn't want to hear," Gentries said. "But then I remembered how much easier it is to live in a world of black-and-white in which I can assign the label of 'other' to someone and use him as a vessel for all my fears and insecurities."
Added Gentries, "That really put things back into perspective."
Men bahaving badly.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/united...ry?id=11517664
ABC News Exclusive: Two Men on United Flight from Chicago Arrested on 'Preparation of a Terrorist Attack' in Amsterdam
Two men taken off a Chicago-to-Amsterdam United Airlines flight in the Netherlands have been charged by Dutch police with "preparation of a terrorist attack," U.S. law enforcement officials tell ABC News.
U.S. officials said the two appeared to be travelling with what were termed "mock bombs" in their luggage. "This was almost certainly a dry run, a test," said one senior law enforcement official.
A spokesman for the Dutch public prosecutor, Ernst Koelman, confirmed the two men were arrested this morning and said "the investigation is ongoing." He said the arrests were made "at the request of American authorities."
The two were allowed to board the flight at O'Hare airport last night despite security concerns surrounding one of them, the officials said.
The men were identified as Ahmed Mohamed Nasser al Soofi, of Detroit, MI, and Hezem al Murisi, the officials said. A neighbor of al Soofi told ABC News he is from Yemen.
Airport security screeners in Birmingham, Alabama first stopped al Soofi and referred him to additional screening because of what officials said was his "bulky clothing."
oh noes, terrorist in amsterdam! you think they were going to dublin?
Do you think Muslims commit a disproportionate number of terrorist attacks?
disproportionate? what would you consider to be the correct portion?
the more you post DarrinS, the more it becomes perfectly clear that you've been full of from the beginning and don't intend to make any attempt at differencing the Muslim religion from extremists. In other words, all that "I didn't say Muslims, I said Muslim terrorists" bull was you covering your ass.
Disingenuous prick...
Interesting that we have a group of non-muslims defending muslims to non-muslims. It would be interesting to me and educational to get their view.
more like non-muslims to anti-muslims.
I mentioned the conotation Islamaphobia has in a previous post in this thread and what I characterized as the tags that it brings. Namely bigotry, racism and ignorance. The reality is most here and throughout the country including myself are ignorant to the Islamic faith. It would be responsible on my part to educate myself and then deccide whether or not I am comfortable.
I don't understand why it should even be noteworthy that Americans stand up for their own.
That's not much of a straw man. Conservatives are, generally, opposed to change. The roots of this country is in zenophobia and mistrust. Sure, there's the Mayflower, full of people who all had the same faith afraid the colony would grow into anarchy, reached over their fear to form a government. If someone is different, he or she is met with a bunch of wagging fingers.
If you feel that America is under attack constantly and needs to be protected from any change of any kind, you come off as a racist, a phobe, and definitely a zenophobe. If you embrace the changing face of America--children raised by a same-sex couple that still grow up to salute the flag and do it next to a child who's of mixed heritage, then we have a more inclusive America, closer to our ideals.
But if you have a view that this country was perfect and our mis-steps and scandals are ruining the perfect nature of the country we were handed then you can't see that future. You like how things look and feel right now when you look into everyone's face and think you know the character of everyone of them because they look the same, they sound the same.
We inherited racism. We inherited bigotry. We inherited sexism. We inherited zenophobia. These things have to be pushed out of our collective consciousness. Freedom is messy and must be maintained. We will never be perfectly safe. We will never have completely happy lives. Freedom is the cousin to anarchy and Conservatives sometimes confuse the two. And we cannot use the words and motivations of people who openly embraced bigotry and sexism, calling for a simpler time.
A return to our ideals. Our ideal is to respect one-another and give freedom to each other. That is the American ideal. Why is it that people who are in love cannot marry? Why is it that we have to embrace an anti-Mexican view to curb illegal immigrantion? Why do we have to push away Islam when it was radicals that attacked us on September 11th?
Let me put it another way: What better symbol of unity after September 11th than to embrace the sane, rational portion of this religion, celebrate multiculturalism to raise a middle finger to Osama bin Ladin that no matter what he does, America is a place where people gather and accept one-another? Are you telling me that no Islamic people died in the Twin Towers? How strong would we be not to brush strokes of that hurt, hatred, and fear over the people who look like Al Qaeda operatives in a place so much destruction was done? We embraced each other after that day. Let us do so again.
It's not a monument to Al Qaeda. It's not a mural of Osama. It is a place of worship. A faith that prayed for New Yorkers on September 11th. A religion that donated time and money to relief efforts. Americans.
And because of the Conservative voices, it did not unite us. It divided us. We had another moment we could accept our ideals--acceptance and freedom--and instead gave into fear and hurt. Our zenophobia.
It takes courage to be an American. It is not for the weak. It will challenge your assumptions. It will make you think. It will make you have an opinion (which you are supposed to use to vote).
If America only salutes the flag for the soldiers that carry it, and not for the states it represents, the people who gave their lives so we could live a little more free, ALL the people who are citizens, then don't salute it. Salute the USMC flag next time. Think about more than the military.
If you cannot embrace all of us no matter how we look or sound then get the out of my country. We don't need you.
Just couple of months away and Obama will be stripped of his evil powers. Atleast most. Of course Barry and chewy will think America is being mean again and the idiots will scream "racist" but Obongo took the goddamn car out of the ditch and drove it off a cliff. You can't have the keys anymore.
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Unfortunately, no one can tell the good ones from the bad ones. Many of the 9/11 hijackers were well educated and clean cut. Before 9/11, you'd probably wouldn't even give them a second look.
So what you're saying is, you're afraid of the .00000006 % chance that a Muslim will commit a terrorist attack on the flight you're on, whereas the chance is probably only .00000002 % for non-Muslims.
Right on! Better to just distrust ALL Muslims. In fact, why limit it to Muslims? Pretty much anyone who's brown is qualified. After all, if they're not terrorists, they're probably illegal immigrants.
No, I'm saying there's a reason that people will be su ious (and rightfully so) of Muslims. I actually feel bad for the regular, law-abiding, moderate Muslim. They suffer because their religion has so many America-hating nutjobs. But, it's not my job to apologize to the moderate Muslim for the extremists among them.
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