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much rather have jawad.
Miles Davis?
much rather have jawad.
He doesn't look half bad..
Found another one.
He won't get any PT even if we do sign him.
Jawad William is a restricted free-agent, so who know if whatever they offer him will be matched by Cleveland..
Hopefully they're still in disarray from Lebron leaving the cavs.
Jawad actually had some decent moments for the Cavs last season. Spurs could do worse than him as end-of-bench fodder.
Also, wasn't he on the Spurs summer league roster / Training Camp at some stage these past few years?
This guy looks good on those videos. He is also 6'9/220lbs, a better fit for players like lamar,dirk,melo,etc. I want this guy to get any backup sf minute that anderson is not getting this year. Spurs need to do their best to bring this guy in.
The Spurs should try out New Zealand's Thomas Abercombrie , who currently is turning heads in Turkey with his athleticim on offense and defense. Here is a 6'7 forward who blocks Klieza and Rudy Fernandes and dunks on Marc Gasol and Rudy Fernandez
Profile below
http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng...//profile.html
it will take more than a minimum offer to discourage the Cavs from matching, that for sure. as mentioned before, it will likely be about a guaranteed 2nd year. this would cut into the Cavs cap space in 2011 and they will think twice before they sacrifice any cap space to keep a player like Williams.
highlight reels never look half bad.
Yes, Jawad was on the Spurs' 2005-06 Training Camp Roster.
just checked. based on the current cap numbers and considering holds for minimum contracts (and assuming Hollins and Mo Williams don't opt out) they will have about 9-10 million in cap space. minus the 1st rounder (likely #10-15) they will have 7-8 M available.
so yes, it does make a big difference for them if they cut into this number and take them self the chance to beat out a MLE contract next summer.
my guess is, a 2nd year at 1.5-2 million will keep them away from matching.
(if Williams is worth this number is another story tough)
I'm not familiar with him, but I liked what I've seen in the videos. The Spurs could do a lot worse at the backup SF position.
+1
If he has range (which IIRC he burned Bogans repeatedly last year from 3pt) and can play good defense he could potentially supplant Jefferson in the starting lineup because those are qualities that are needed as the spurs' starting 3.
Jefferson is very likely going to be (once again) a bad fit in the starting lineup and will end up coming off the bench w/Manu. So having Williams around might be a good idea in this case.
Isn't this the same guy who repeatedly burned Bogans from deep last year? To the tune of 17-18 pts IIRC
yes it was the one game that James took the night off; and a lot of people here at ST said Williams would be the most likely candidate to burn the Spurs that night
They could also probably work a sign and trade. Just sending a 2nd rounder to Cleveland and signing Williams on under the vet min exception (or the LLE even).
Jawad Williams is 27 years old, has played one year in NBA with a PER of 8.2.
Given that he isn't known as a defensive specialist, it's bad, really bad.
He has likely some qualities but not at the point to give him a two years contract or trade something for him. An one year guaranteed min contract woudl be fine but I rather have him with a contract guaranteed for $100K and let him fight with Gee for the SF backup spot.
And if Cavs match that, they can keep him.
I don't completely agree. I've seen him Jawad play 3-4 times in the NBA, including last year lost to Cleveland at the beginning of March when he torched the Centerpiece, and I think he is a pretty decent player. PER numbers for players that play very few minutes have pretty high standard deviation.
He has the size, the body, the IQ and the range to be a decent backup SF for cheap.
2c
totally agree. PER can be extremely misleading. even for regular minutes players.
Bowen constantly had some of the lowest PER numbers in the whole league. (he was this kind of defensive specialist that are not considered by any PER categories). some player types (especially big men, who are good rebounder) are loved by the PER system.
for example: a players like Drew Gooden constantly produced good PER numbers. so do you rather want Gooden or Robert Horry in his prime on your team? PER tells you to take Gooden, his PER is much better than Rob's. (even considering Rob's PO PER)
however. of course Williams isn't a good player. he also isn't a defensive force. but he isn't a bad defender either and it seems as if he has the ability and necessary smarts to also be a good team defender. he could be a poor man's James Posey at best. (I mean the 2007 Posey, last years version already was the poor mans version of Posey). he also isn't better than Bogans, but he is 3 inches taller. if it would have been a decision between re signing Bogans and signing Williams I take Williams every day.
btw. last years PER of Jarvis Hayes, who we discussed as an option for back up SF, was 9.7. that's not that much better, but compared to Hayes Williams is clearly the better defender and also better athlete.
Last edited by mountainballer; 09-02-2010 at 05:12 AM.
What mountainballer said was correct. PER fluctuates a lot for players who play less minutes. It gets even lesser role such as Jawad Williams. Looking at Richard Jefferson, whose production dropped due to a lesser role, his PER will take a hit. The top players in the league have a high PER because of their role and per minute production which generally helps advanced stats.
At worst, the Spurs just sign a guy who is a practice player and at best make it into the rotation. Since he would be filling in cheaply, it wouldn't hurt the Spurs to sign him.
Agreed. At a minimum, he is not a mismatch anywhere on the court physically which is something the Spurs often have problems with.I don't completely agree. I've seen him Jawad play 3-4 times in the NBA, including last year lost to Cleveland at the beginning of March when he torched the Centerpiece, and I think he is a pretty decent player. PER numbers for players that play very few minutes have pretty high standard deviation.
He has the size, the body, the IQ and the range to be a decent backup SF for cheap.
2c
I see that the captains obvious are here.
It's obvious that PER doesn't tell the whole story.
It's obvious that PER doesn't factor defense (see Bowen)
It's obvious that PER doesn't factor clutch (see Horry)
It's obvious that PER drop when the player role decrease (see Jefferson) ...
A player having a low PER doesn't automatically mean he suck but it isn't a good sign.
When you look at Jawad Williams, reasons why he has a low PER are that he is a poor scorer, poor rebounder and has bad FG%. He isn't also known for being great as what isn't in the box score like defense and being clutch. It starts to make a lot against him.
I don't put a player like Jawad Williams above Alonzo Gee to be Spurs' backup SF.
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