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Jazz interested in Elson?
Published on Sep 1, 2010 10:12AM1 Comments
Jazz general manager Kevin O'Connor is on vacation this week, so it was impossible to get a verfication from the team Wednesday morning regarding a tweet by Hoophype's Jorge Sierra about Utah's interest in signing veteran back-up center Francisco Elson.
The possibility of signing Elson makes sense, however, given the fact that Memo Okur is coming off Achilles tendon surgery and Utah needs as much reasonably-priced insurance in the post as possible.
Elson, 33, has spent seven years in the NBA, with his best seasons coming as a member of the Denver Nuggets (2004-06).
In all, Elson has played 405 games in his career. He averages 3.9 points and 3.8 rebounds in 16.3 minutes.
Elson, a seven-footer who weighs 240 pounds, left the Nuggets prior to the 2006-07 season when he signed a free-agent contract with San Antonio. He was traded to the Sonics midway through the 2007-08 season.
In the offseason, Elson signed a two-year, $3 million contract with Milwaukee, where he became the back-up to former University of Utah star Andrew Bogut.
In 2008-09 with the Bucks, Elson averaged 3.4 points and 3.9 rebounds in 59 games. He spent last season with Milwaukee and Philadelphia, but played a total of only 12 games.
Elson's biggest claim to fame -- or infamy, actually -- came during the 2004 playoff series between Denver and Minnesota.
In one game, Elson committed a hard foul on the Timberwolves' Kevin Garnett. Later, Garnett punched Elson in the groin. Elson's response was to call Garnett "gay," which immediately created a controversy. Elson later apologized to the gay and lesbian community in Denver.
-- Steve Luhm
What exactly does he suck at ?
TBH, I've barely seen the kid play. But he's long and is a good shooter and I was surprised to read above that he has a 34" vertical.
I haven't seen him in action for more than a few minutes, but I know that a guy who single handedly dragged what amounts to a d-2 team through the sweet 16 and into the final seconds of the National Championship game, probably doesn't suck.
Deron is going to love it in LA.
Being athleticWhat exactly does he suck at ?
I am not big on Hayward either and it had nothing to do with the Jazz's needs. But, just like every draft, you have to see how it goes. I am not a big fan of many people coming out of college because they are all so unknown.
But for someone billed as a shooter, Hayward shot pretty poor from 3 point land didn't he? There are lots of players in college who go on runs in the NCAA and do nothing in the NBA.
Being black. He really needs to work on that.What exactly does he suck at ?
He brings offensive rebounding. He's a three point shooting threat. He gets to the foul line(30% of his points are from the foul line). He bring excellent size at his position. He's an effective ball handler. And he can be a legit point forward. He's a good passer. And has a high basketball Iq. And he's a good defensive player
He was an amazing 3 point shooter but for the second half of the season they forced him to create his 3 point shot off the dribble as opposed to just being a knock down shooter. That's a hard adjustment to make mid season for any young player but he clearly has the ability.
He wasn't a good defender in college?
He spent most of his time defending power forwards whiles his natural position is the 3. But he was still effective because he never gives up on plays he ralerly gives his man lanes to the basket . He also uses his Iq on the defensive end and understand the tendencies of the players he's guarding.
He was an amazing 3 point shooter but for the second half of the season they forced him to create his 3 point shot off the dribble as opposed to just being a knock down shooter. That's a hard adjustment to make mid season for any young player but he clearly has the ability.
Go look at his statistics when he was just a knockdown shooter. He had one of the highest percents in college
He's been a great 3 point shooter ever since he Came into college
Evan Turner vs Gordon Hayward
Age 21 20
Height 6'7 6'8
Weight 214 211
Reach 8'7.5 8'7
No step vert 27.5 30.5
Max vert 34.5 34.5
Max vert reach 11'6 11.5
Bench reps 9 10
Agil 11.06 11.73
Sprint 3.27 3.22
Hand size 8.75x9.5 8.5x9.25
The white guy who supposedly has a good vertical is never actually as athletic as described. Remember how athletic Joe Alexander supposedly was?
And he didn't drag that team, it had other good players. It will probably still make the tournament at the very least without him.
Look at his physical stats vs Evan turner.
Obviously the Kid isn't that unathletic
what is that bench press at ..... 185 or 225???
Yeah and neither was Joe Alexander.
I don't see your point here.
We're not calling on him to be Josh Smith. Or any super athlete
There's a reason no one in Minnesota tried to keep Jefferson instead of basically salary dumping him off to any team that would take his contract.There's a reason no one in Utah wanted to keep Boozer in Utah. But that's something Bulls fans will just figure out next season.
My point is that the reports of him being as athletic as Evan Turner is bull . He's Joe Alexander part 2.
Actually everyonein Minny wanted to keep him
http://www.twolvesblog.com/
Go Check the forum for yourself. All the old Al Jefferson threads. He's the fan favriote
The team was going into a high paced offense that didn't fit his game. So the split was coming eventually
And if you go find the trade thread no one agreed with Kahn's decision?
Look at a Jazz forum did you see anyone crying Over Booze
So everyone else measurements were generally right but since it shows a White Guy being athletic there wrong now?
The measurements said Joe Alexander had off the charts athleticism. Look how that turned out.
So you're giving an example of one player as a reason why a completly different player with different measurements isn't athletic.
I guess John Wall won't be athletic either. By that logic.
Or is your main point they have the same skin tone?
My main point is that white, American born wing players are never anything more than role players in the NBA 99.9% of the time, especially in the modern era.
So your main point is because he's white he can't be effective.
O that makes sense. Forget the fact that he's a great player because hey he's white.
I don't think he'll ever be more than a role player. That's all we need him to be as long as we have the best pg in basketball. There's nothing wrong with a good role player. Good role players win you rings.
Who was the last American born white SG or SF to make an AS team?
Yeah, an all star PG and role players at SG and SF. That's been a great formula for winning rings the last 20 years
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