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    If you're truly a Spurs fan and this isn't good enough for you, then I hope you enjoy the significant step backwards the Spurs take if Tony leaves next summer.
    what happens if we win a ring when his in NY? its not like his going to win any in NY...

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    This thread is even more ridiculous than most TP hate threads.

    Despite the fact that he already has multiple All-Star appearances and a Finals MVP, the dude is working his butt off during the summer.
    sorry man...4 hours a day is not "busting his butt." We need to find out what Hill is doing this summer by comparison. TP is still better than Hill, but I would be suprised if Hill hasnt been working harder than this for longer.

    And this is harder than TP's ever worked?

    He is even working on parts of his game, like his jump shot, that have been quite good recently.
    Heaven forbid a multi-million dollar salary warrant working on the jump shot during the summer

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    what happens if we win a ring when his in NY? its not like his going to win any in NY...
    Come on. Stoudemire, Parker, Melo. What could possibly go wrong.

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    Look at the bright side?

    As far as I am concerned, there is no wear and tear from shooting drills in the summer, the body doesnt need recovery from working on your shot to the tune of a few hours.

    Bottom line: 1.5 hours a day on your shot, after the year he had last year, and considering this is his contract year, IS NOT . And the fact that he admits this is the hardest he has ever worked in a summer?

    Puts it right over the top.

    You Hard-core Parker fans, just realize that even Pop rides the out of Parker and always has...ask yourselves why? Could it be a lack of work ethic? Could it be a lack of propensity to play D?

    He's blessed as someone who can drive to the hole with unstoppable speed. But this regimen sucks, IMHO.

    When I said his body has to rest, I was talking after the physical training, not after the shooting drill...

    I'm not a "hardcore Parker fan" my favoritespur in Manu (by far!), but as a hardcore spurs fan, I know what he can bring when haelthy and I'm fine with that, he can still score at will in the paint and has an above average mid-range jump shot that has proven to be clutch.

    You're talking about D ? really?

    When he started guarding Nash last PO, Nash stoped scoring at will!
    Anybody who has followed the spurs know that Tony has a very good D when it matters, espacially in front of quick PG!
    In fact, he is the only one on the team who can stay in front of them and match their speed.

    If Pop is/used to scream after Parker, it's first because TP can handle it and then because YES he can be lasy sometimeson D during the regular season!
    If you remember Tony from day one in SA, he has always been very confident, cold blooded, doesn't need to be reassured constantly.
    Maybe George needs that...

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    Look at the bright side?

    As far as I am concerned, there is no wear and tear from shooting drills in the summer, the body doesnt need recovery from working on your shot to the tune of a few hours.

    Bottom line: 1.5 hours a day on your shot, after the year he had last year, and considering this is his contract year, IS NOT . And the fact that he admits this is the hardest he has ever worked in a summer?

    Puts it right over the top.

    You Hard-core Parker fans, just realize that even Pop rides the out of Parker and always has...ask yourselves why? Could it be a lack of work ethic? Could it be a lack of propensity to play D?

    He's blessed as someone who can drive to the hole with unstoppable speed. But this regimen sucks, IMHO.
    It's amazing with fans like this why Tony bothers to stay in San Antonio..

    Every ing thread on TP has turned into a bashing thread..

    I wish TP all the best.. at New York Knicks.. Spurs not going to win any championship for another 5 years..

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    It's amazing with fans like this why Tony bothers to stay in San Antonio..

    Every ing thread on TP has turned into a bashing thread..

    I wish TP all the best.. at New York Knicks.. Spurs not going to win any championship for another 5 years..
    If he cant handle the criticism in SA, he damn sure wont be comfortable in the Big Apple....where he wants to be anyway. The press there will eat him alive.

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    Tony has very good D when it matters..


    Remind me if our team philosophy on D calls for selective effort. Remind me about how our D has fallen off in the last couple of years.

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    So you dislike everyone on the Spurs, because it is not TP's defense that has fallen off.

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    I hate our defensive effort, and honestly my enthusiasm toward the team has waned as a result. And I am most critical of Tony and Pop.

    As far as the other players on this team, my current favs are Gino, Dice and Hill. All of whom will mix it up on D. Dice gets much respect because of his efforts on Dirk in last years playoffs.

    I like Tiago's D from what I have seen. At least he stays in position.

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    So basically, you hold TP to a higher standard because he is great.

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    People are getting hung up on semantics. He is working hard, what ever that may be. He has worked hard enough to elevate his game since he entered the league, enough to be a finals MVP.

    So if he says he is working harder than ever before, that is a good thing.
    I do recall years ago that Pop wasn't too keen on the work TP did in the off season. I seem to recall reading that one summer both Malik and TP worked hard that off season and Pop was more pleased with the work they put in as opposed to previous off seasons.

    I'd say since then he's probably worked harder on his game during the off season. What do you think? If you had to guess do you think TP puts in a good amount of work during the off season?

    I really think TP could be the best PG in the league or at the very least a top 3 if he wants to be and works as much as he can to get there.

    I think his shooting has gone down too, but not sure if that is from a lack of work on his shot. Maybe TP needs to be the focal point of the offense to get the consistency in his shot like when he was shooting his best. He might not be the type of guy that can hit all his shots if he only takes a few a game like he did last season.

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    http://en.tp9.net/%C2%AB-i%E2%80%99m...eam-%C2%BB-374
    After a month of hard work, did you improve ?
    When you shoot a hundred times a day during a month you obviously improve. At least that ‘s how I feel. Besides basketball, I do physical training from 10.30 to 12.00. The Spurs physical trainer makes all my body work. It’s an exhausting work out but very nice though. It’s the first time since I started NBA that I work so hard in the summertime. But all the NBA players who want to improve and come back even better every season go through this.
    Ok, so what I take from this is, Parker is shooting "many hundred times a day" (as the translation has been corrected) PLUS an hour and a half of hardcore physical training. Every day.

    That's a very, very difficult regimen of 3-5 hours of daily work. And for those that say more time = better, this is completely wrong. Working harder, in (relatively) shorter intervals, and giving it 100% of your time and focus is much better than working all day at something, because it's not possible to give your whole focus to anything for that much sustained time. You don't retain information as well, work your muscles as hard, or have the necessary recovery time to let your body adjust to the work you're putting in.

    This is especially true for someone coming off an injury-filled period. You dont WANT them over-extending themselves, but rather working hard, building up gradually, and being careful. Working too hard, too long, is the best way to wear your body down and RE-injure yourself.

    This is a very intense work regimen, and I'm proud of Tony for doing it. I would be willing to bet it rivals anything any of the other spurs is doing: Manu, Tim, Hill, Blair, anyone. Can Parker get lackidasical sometimes? Of course. He's admitted as much, and that's why Pop stays on his ass. But that's not the case here.

    PS: I think Vaughn stood in for CHIP, not the 6'11 dude that Tony was shooting over.

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    So basically, you hold TP to a higher standard because he is great.
    TP is great at one thing on the basketball court.

    Even at his best in our glory days, his D was always the worst among the starting 5.

    And it seems these days, he is less motivated than he has ever been.

    Does anyone believe that if he was digging in on D in last years playoffs, he wouldve been on the bench at anytime? Even irrespective of how he affected chemistry?

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    You people are crazy! He said hes working out way more than he used to. Considering how good hes been for the spurs for almost a decade, he's only going to get better! he still in his freakin twenties! Ungrateful swines

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    TP is great at one thing on the basketball court.

    Even at his best in our glory days, his D was always the worst among the starting 5.

    And it seems these days, he is less motivated than he has ever been.

    Does anyone believe that if he was digging in on D in last years playoffs, he wouldve been on the bench at anytime? Even irrespective of how he affected chemistry?
    Considering how he was better defending Nash than Hill was? Definitely.

    Parker was on the bench because the Spurs had developed some chemistry, and he still wasn't at 100%. Thats it.

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    TP is great at one thing on the basketball court.

    Even at his best in our glory days, his D was always the worst among the starting 5.

    And it seems these days, he is less motivated than he has ever been.

    Does anyone believe that if he was digging in on D in last years playoffs, he wouldve been on the bench at anytime? Even irrespective of how he affected chemistry?
    You are so reaching here Rush Fan. When Bones started for the team, I don't think it'd be a reach to say that him, not TP, was weaker for defense. You don't think that TP's defense against Nash wasn't key to beating Phoenix all those times?
    And in the DVDs when Pop tells Tim, Tony, & Manu that they all played magnificent defense, doesn't his critique reduce yours to utter ?
    Just asking, since....he's Pop and you, like me and many others here, are just fans.

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    If he cant handle the criticism in SA, he damn sure wont be comfortable in the Big Apple....where he wants to be anyway. The press there will eat him alive.
    I don't see why u need to bash him so much..

    How bout the other players?

    RJ practically disappeared in last year play-offs..

    Manu has been playing well last year but the year before he was MIA..

    Tim's play was declining during the playoffs..

    Hill practically disappeared in the playoff games vs Suns..

    Why single out Parker and kept on bashing him?

    Then how bout coach Pop.. he has to take some blame too, doesn't he?

    What's wrong with Parker want to be at NYK? He has played for Spurs for 10 ing years and has won 3 rings for the franchise? By the time Parker bolts for NYK, Tim would probably retire..

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    I, for one, appreciate Tony and his commitment to get better this summer. That said, I honestly believe he is going to leave us when his contract is up, so I'm starting the process of weaning myself of the expectation of his being a Spur. Not animosity as much as antipathy.

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    Every ing thread on TP has turned into a bashing thread..
    Actually the Parker hate in this thread comes only from one troll, who has like 50% of the posts in this thread. It obviously doesn't reflect the view of the (very large) majority of posters here, who are actually defending and/or praising what TP is doing.

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    Actually the Parker hate in this thread comes only from one troll, who has like 50% of the posts in this thread. It obviously doesn't reflect the view of the (very large) majority of posters here, who are actually defending and/or praising what TP is doing.

    This!

    This thread is actually ST against "Parker2112"...

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    I don't see why u need to bash him so much..

    How bout the other players?

    RJ practically disappeared in last year play-offs..

    Manu has been playing well last year but the year before he was MIA..

    Tim's play was declining during the playoffs..

    Hill practically disappeared in the playoff games vs Suns..

    Why single out Parker and kept on bashing him?

    Then how bout coach Pop.. he has to take some blame too, doesn't he?

    What's wrong with Parker want to be at NYK? He has played for Spurs for 10 ing years and has won 3 rings for the franchise? By the time Parker bolts for NYK, Tim would probably retire..
    All I said was he should be doing more than 1.5 hours of shooting a day. It erupted when the I-Heart_TP police swooped in to defend en masse. Think about that a bit. This whole thing is not a reaction to TP, but to the TP-police.

    RJ played better with TP on the bench. There is a reason for that. Not that TP is a ball hog, just that TP's play doesnt accomodate others who cant shoot the three.

    Manu made stupid choices in playing for Argentina, and we all paid the price. Does that make you feel better?

    Timmy is old. He has no lateral movement. He has no lift. He can no longer protect the bucket. Remind me TP's excuse for not playing D again?

    Hill is not capable of leading us deep into the playoffs just yet. But hey, TP got bailed out by Claxton back in his younger days, so maybe you call it full circle for him.

    And Pop is killing us.
    But the therad is about TP, not Pop.

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    All I said was he should be doing more than 1.5 hours of shooting a day. It erupted when the I-Heart_TP police swooped in to defend en masse. Think about that a bit. This whole thing is not a reaction to TP, but to the TP-police.
    Let me say this...

    I dont hate TP. I think TP is a top 10 point guard in the league and at the end of the day we are lucky to have him.

    WHAT I HATE, IS BLIND TP FANS THAT INSIST ON EVERYONE ELSE CONFORMING TO BLIND FANDOM AS WELL.

    FOR ALL YOU TP-LOVE-TROLLS, you dont have to ridicule anyone and everyone who says a single negative thing about TP. You are stirring up when you do that .

    That only creates division on this board.

    SO I said he needed to practice his shot more this summer...SO FUGGIN WHAT? Please go back to licking your signed TP poster, tp fanboys and girls...nothing to see here...

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    Let me say this...

    I dont hate TP. I think TP is a top 10 point guard in the league and at the end of the day we are lucky to have him.

    WHAT I HATE, IS BLIND TP FANS THAT INSIST ON EVERYONE ELSE CONFORMING TO BLIND FANDOM AS WELL.

    FOR ALL YOU TP-LOVE-TROLLS, you dont have to ridicule anyone and everyone who says a single negative thing about TP. You are stirring up when you do that .

    That only creates division on this board.

    SO I said he needed to practice his shot more this summer...SO FUGGIN WHAT? Please go back to licking your signed TP poster, tp fanboys and girls...nothing to see here...
    +1
    How can anyone (TP supporter or not) not agree that he needs to work on his shooting? He needs to work on it a bunch. He's not going to get any faster. At this point, it doesn't look like he's going to develop into a good assist man. So, the only thing left that he can really improve on is his shooting.

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    Let me say this...

    I dont hate TP. I think TP is a top 10 point guard in the league and at the end of the day we are lucky to have him.

    WHAT I HATE, IS BLIND TP FANS THAT INSIST ON EVERYONE ELSE CONFORMING TO BLIND FANDOM AS WELL.

    FOR ALL YOU TP-LOVE-TROLLS, you dont have to ridicule anyone and everyone who says a single negative thing about TP. You are stirring up when you do that .

    That only creates division on this board.

    SO I said he needed to practice his shot more this summer...SO FUGGIN WHAT? Please go back to licking your signed TP poster, tp fanboys and girls...nothing to see here...
    Well you said a lot more than "Tony needs to work on his shot." You accused him of having poor work ethic and implied that since he wants to play with his NT that he no longer wants to be a spur.... These are the things that stir up and create division on the board. Every spur fan can agree that Tony should continue to improve his shot... just like every other player.

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    Well you said a lot more than "Tony needs to work on his shot." You accused him of having poor work ethic and implied that since he wants to play with his NT that he no longer wants to be a spur.... These are the things that stir up and create division on the board. Every spur fan can agree that Tony should continue to improve his shot... just like every other player.
    when you get pelted with ridicule after implying that TP needs to work on the shot more than 1.5 hrs a day, things sometimes get argumentative...

    Besides, think about what your saying here: I criticize Tony and create division. I get ridiculed by Tony die-hards, and that creates division.

    Whats the difference here? Who is the subject of the criticism in each instance?

    And its not just me, but anyone that speaks on TP's shortcomings.

    There is a huge difference in these two scenarios. Criticizing a player vs ridiculing a poster/posters for honest opinion. Which creates more fragmentation among this community?

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