All Lakers and Spurs fans who

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[Killakobe81]

I know at one time I used the original argument to flame a debate but i don't think that basic premise is true. That would be silly. But I would say watching a smart team, with a smart coach does give you some insight on playing the game the right way and if you watch 82, 16 or 162 of those over time how could that not have a positive effect on your sports knowledge? It doesnt mean it always does or that losing teams have dumb fans ...but to dismiss it completely is probably short-sighted. Again not saying i buy it. Just playing devil's advocate

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[Killakobe81]

Or in this case re 's advocate

Says the loser with -erotic porn in their signature ...

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what happened ?

[BUMP]

I know at one time I used the original argument to flame a debate but i don't think that basic premise is true. That would be silly. But I would say watching a smart team, with a smart coach does give you some insight on playing the game the right way and if you watch 82, 16 or 162 of those over time how could that not have a positive effect on your sports knowledge? It doesnt mean it always does or that losing teams have dumb fans ...but to dismiss it completely is probably short-sighted. Again not saying i buy it. Just playing devil's advocate

For the sake of argument's sake I will respond to this.

While watching a good team play can help you learn about the game, there are also many other ways to learn. Just watching any team, (NBA, college basketball) and listen to the commentators. If somebody does a little thing right, they will acknowledge what they did, and if they didn't they will criticize and tell them what they needed to do.

Another thing that you're forgetting is that great teams like the Lakers have superstars who have talents that none of us could ever dream of having. If Kobe has a sick crossover, drives by everybody, and dunks over a 7 footer does that mean any of us could learn to do that just by watching?

[Killakobe81]

For the sake of argument's sake I will respond to this.

While watching a good team play can help you learn about the game, there are also many other ways to learn. Just watching any team, (NBA, college basketball) and listen to the commentators. If somebody does a little thing right, they will acknowledge what they did, and if they didn't they will criticize and tell them what they needed to do.

Another thing that you're forgetting is that great teams like the Lakers have superstars who have talents that none of us could ever dream of having. If Kobe has a sick crossover, drives by everybody, and dunks over a 7 footer does that mean any of us could learn to do that just by watching?

Bump appreciate the honest response. Like I said I did NOT agree with the premise ...just looking at it from another side.

Let me ask you this ... If you wanted to learn about soccer. do you think you would learn more by watching the champions League or MLS? Does that mean MLS fans are dumb and European soccer fans are not? No. But most hardcore fans would advise you to watch English premier level soccer to learn the sport. Do you lose anything by not being able to bend the ball like the best in their league? No. But you do learn to appreciate the value of elite level set pieces ...another example, you could watch the WNBA and see sometimes better fundamentals thanthe NBA. however you would miss the speed, atleticism or the momentum shift of a dunk on someone ...by watching lower quality of play you do miss some of the finer nuances of the sport ...

That is all I am saying ..laker fans or spur fans are not better than non le fans, they are just luckier or bandwagon fans in some cases. But they do get the benefit of seeing basketball at it's best. And i do believe they learn a bit in the process ..it may not be much but something if they pay attention.

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Bump appreciate the honest response. Like I said I did NOT agree with the premise ...just looking at it from another side.

Let me ask you this ... If you wanted to learn about soccer. do you think you would learn more by watching the champions League or MLS? Does that mean MLS fans are dumb and European soccer fans are not? No. But most hardcore fans would advise you to watch English premier level soccer to learn the sport. Do you lose anything by not being able to bend the ball like the best in their league? No. But you do learn to appreciate the value of elite level set pieces ...another example, you could watch the WNBA and see sometimes better fundamentals thanthe NBA. however you would miss the speed, atleticism or the momentum shift of a dunk on someone ...by watching lower quality of play you do miss some of the finer nuances of the sport ...

That is all I am saying ..laker fans or spur fans are not better than non le fans, they are just luckier or bandwagon fans in some cases. But they do get the benefit of seeing basketball at it's best. And i do believe they learn a bit in the process ..it may not be much but something if they pay attention.

I just think that it's sometimes hard to learn fundamentals watching professional sports players because they have talents that none of us will ever posess. And if they do give out "tips" it's usually very vanilla stuff that you can learn from a lot of people. The only way I think that it pays to watch good teams is if you are completely new to a sport, and since I don't know jack about soccer then ya, I would watch English Premier leagues if I was just getting into it.

For me, I learned everything by playing in high school, practicing, and listening to coaches. I grew up in Plano and played 2 years varsity at Plano Sr. High (didn't you say that's where you live?). I watched the NBA religiously in the early 2000's and learned relatively little compared to what I learned from my coaches.

The Lakers were a good team, but I didn't learn a lot just watching Shaq dunk on 7 footers and Kobe swishing contested shots.

The Kings were a fundamental team, but they just used a million variations of the backdoor cut.

The Spurs were good as well, but I knew I would never be as good as Tim Duncan.

[Killakobe81]

I just think that it's sometimes hard to learn fundamentals watching professional sports players because they have talents that none of us will ever posess. And if they do give out "tips" it's usually very vanilla stuff that you can learn from a lot of people. The only way I think that it pays to watch good teams is if you are completely new to a sport, and since I don't know jack about soccer then ya, I would watch English Premier leagues if I was just getting into it.

For me, I learned everything by playing in high school, practicing, and listening to coaches. I grew up in Plano and played 2 years varsity at Plano Sr. High (didn't you say that's where you live?). I watched the NBA religiously in the early 2000's and learned relatively little compared to what I learned from my coaches.

The Lakers were a good team, but I didn't learn a lot just watching Shaq dunk on 7 footers and Kobe swishing contested shots.

The Kings were a fundamental team, but they just used a million variations of the backdoor cut.

The Spurs were good as well, but I knew I would never be as good as Tim Duncan.

Yeah I work in Plano, live in Frisco/Colony area ...
I agree you will learn more from coaches than just watching of course. As a player you should be watching instructional videos not games to learn fundamentals. but how to read defenses in any sport comes from watching games and gametape IMHO ...and the better quality of play helps that. Anyway I think we are cool Im trying not be the antagonistic egotistical Laker fan. Yes we have a good team and i am proud and i love to talk trash, but i am trying to do it without being an ass,. yes i have got sucked in a few times riht after the le because there was a lot of bitter hate flying ...but i have enjoyed your post and even ambchang's today.

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Im trying not be the antagonistic egotistical Laker fan.

Yeah I know it just made for an interesting discussion and different people will have different opinions.

Too sum up my opinion, I think that the NBA is a lot more about 1on1, and talent prevailing over lesser talent. Of course team's run styles of offenses (pick and roll, triangle) but they're pretty vanilla and I don't think you can learn a whole lot from the NBA unless you're fairly new to basketball.

On a side note, I think watching college basketball gives you a lot of different looks to the game that you don't see in the NBA. The different styles of zones, presses, motions that you don't get when you go professional.

[Giuseppe]

I dunno. There was some premature rubbing going on in SA when Duncan hit the shot over Shaq with .4 left to go

I felt utter relief when Artest hit in Game 7 two months ago, but, when Duncan hit that 3 I was just overjoyed. I remember I took the boys to Olive Garden to celebrate that one.

There is always more happiness in not losing than there ever is in winning.

[Kyle Orton]

still don't have an answer tbh

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[Giuseppe]

hobbs, spankin' that adorable DUNCAN ass.

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[Biggems]

@ all the gots trying to justify feeling all proud and good about themselves for what someone else accomplished

it is called human nature......when you root for someone to do something and they do it, you cheer and are proud...whether it is a pro sporting event, the olympics, our troops kicking ass on foreign soil, or a family member or friend academically, athletically, or artistically.

I guess you only cheer and feel proud about your own accomplisments. I guess you never cheer or smile for others. I mean we wouldn't want you to be a silly got for cheering on your kid to win the spelling bee, do great in the school play, or make the winning score in the game.....

Your logic is foolish, assinine, and illogical. People like you make it so easy to bash Mavs fans.