Reply With Quotelol seriously dude, factual??
i stopped reading after that nonsense.
Sorry, not a troll and if you read the posts , they are pretty factual---it is not my problem if you are a cop hater.
If it had been a scenario where the police violated someone's right---
WITHOUT ANY CAUSE
then I would have been on the civilians side and calling for the police officers heads.
Just call em as I see em.
Truth above everything else.
lol seriously dude, factual??
i stopped reading after that nonsense.
ok, i've seen the video now
1) Why would cops just show up? Obviously, this man was acting nuts and saying stupid things to the paramedics.
2) So the paramedics contacted the police due to the old guy's statements about wanting to kill himself. Cops show up.
3) He is belligerent, pointing fingers, refusing to speak with the police, and confirming the paramedic reports of this old man acting crazy and saying things.
4) at this point, cops have decided he is going to be forced to go for a psychiatric evaluation/hospital. man refuses, they give him lots of warnings, he still refuses, so they taze him.
i don't see much wrong here. Once the man said the things about the gun and wanting to kill himself, that was grounds for the cops to act....
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 09-06-2010 at 08:00 AM.
one more thing
if the police had just left the old guy alone, and he goes through with his threats and grabs a gun.... and maybe even kills someone else + himself....
then the paramedic report would have leaked and the police would have been blamed for not doing anything.
they took his threat seriously.
he wouldnt have been tazed if he just went to the hospital for a psych eval like the cops wanted.
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 09-06-2010 at 08:07 AM.
That guy is going to be handsomely rewarded, as well he should.
They could have just unjustly arrested him if they wanted to take him to the hospital that bad.
Tasing an elderly man with a heart condition makes 0 sense even if the cops were in their right to detain him which it doesn't sound like they were.
Hopefully he names the deputies individually in his suit (not just county/city) so they learn a lesson too.
The only thing I see in favor of the sheriffs is if they can show he posed a threat to the community. Just doesn't look that way though.
how do police arrest him when he was refusing to stand up and cooperate ?
they could have used force and wrestle with the guy, but thats what they have tasers for nowadays.
i dont think they should be tasering old people though.
Explain the second and third taserings then.
I'd like to see how that was ing justified.
FINALLY.
Someone else with some common sense and no irrational cop hatred.
I've been getting hoarse trying to make this point now---thanks.
I stated this before...
if they forcibly arrest him withOUT the taser there is a good possibility that they could injure and arm,shoulder or his neck-or any part of his body.
If that would have happened--everyone would STILL be calling for the cops heads.
Another thing, again....
Paramedics and Police officers---DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE
when they see or hear of someone threatening to hurt himself or others---check the law
if you are a sworn officer and you DO NOT render aid
you can be liable --financially/civilly (if that is a word) and in a court of law.
So they HAD to take him in--or risk legal action against themselves.
When they evaluated the situation and determined that he HAD to be arrested...that is when the taser came in--
when they realized he was going to be an ass and refuse to cooperate.
And, again...if the old prick had a heart condition---he SHOULD NOT HAVE REFUSED TO COOPERATE!
He also bears some responsibility here.
The only flaw to your argument is your 100% wrong.
A taser on an old man with a heart condition? For argument's sake, let's just say they were completely within their rights to arrest and detain, there's still no justification for tasering him.
Tasering him in his state could have easily killed him so even wrestling him to the ground to cuff him would have been better. Police are supposed to use reasonable force to detain. This wasn't reasonable. There was a better alternative. Mere resistance to arrest doesn't provide authority to use any and all force.
And even if you want to go out on a mountain top and put half your feet over the edge and say it's ok to tase here, you can't continually tasing him when he's already subdued. I mean he's a ~65 year old man on the ground that never posed a threat to you. What was he going to do after you already sent him to the ground?
This is absolutely and completely excessive. Your justification for it and actually thinking you're right is unbelievable.
What a ing re !
You took one true general statement and then incorrectly jumped to the conclusion that it gives police the ability to throw discretion and reasonableness out the window.
The taser is a last resort type of thing. Think of it as a police trying to arrest a big guy that they can't forcibly detain any other way or trying to arrest someone that physically resists or goes on the offensive against them.
Also, cops break the guys arm and you never hear this story. Cops put the 24 second clock on tasing a guy with a heart condition and you hear this story.
It is funny that you state I am 100% wrong---and you know NOTHING of the law or of what you are talking about. Nothing.
A heart condition is no excuse to resisting arrest. That is a fact.
Where do you get your info that tasering has to be justified--due to someone's health?
Out of your ass-that is where.
The old man could have thought of his heart condition---and decided to go in peace and AFTERWARDS---he could have sought justice. But he BROKE THE LAW by resisting arrest.
It does NOT matter if he believed the arrest was wrong (it wasn't)--he was still bound by the law to comply with the peace officers order. But the old man DISREGARDED his own heart condition---don't try to blame the cops for that.
Where do you get your info that ---with his heart condition--- a taser could have easily killed him?
Out of your ass again. Fact.
If a person truly has a heart condition---any in' thing could have killed him.
A struggle to handcuff could kill him even easier than a taser. A broken bone could shock him and give him a heart attack,etc...
Stop talking about what you don't in' know and use your brain for something other than watching videos.
MERE RESISTANCE to arrest does NOT provide authority to use any and all force...blah,blah...
where the did you hear this garbage?
Out yer ass,again....geez
When a person resists arrest---BY LAW---IN ANY IN' STATE...
a peace officer is authorized to use any and all reasonable force necessary to subdue and detain a suspect....
it is in the PENAL CODE OF EVERY IN STATE
if you don't know this---stop talkin out yer ass with your bull insulting opinion...
reasonable force---was when they VERBALLY tried to convince the old fuk to comply...
HE FLATLY REFUSED
reasonable force was when they ordered him to place his hands behind his back to be handcuffed and transported peacefully---
HE FLATLY REFUSED!
They had every right to tase his stupid ass...
the 2nd and third tase----
where do you get your info again---do I have to say it again...????
the old man was not subdued.
I will repeat for those of you that are a little thick in the skull...
THE OLD MAN WAS NOT SUBDUED.
A suspect is NOT subdued UNTIL HE IS IN HANDCUFFS.
A suspect is NOT under arrest UNTIL THEY ARE SUBDUED AND IN HANDCUFFS.
As long as a suspect refuses to cooperate and give the arresting officers his hands to be handcuffed---they are not subdued and can be repeatedly tased until they are successfully subdued and in hand cuffs.
I don't argue with someone debating astrophysics or brain in surgery--
because I would sound like an ignorant idiot---cause I don't know about those things....
Have you ever tried to arrest someone and had to fight them to subdue them?
I doubt it.
I will state this again and stand by it.
EVERYTHING that i have argued here is factual and correct---otherwise i would
SHUT MY IN HOLE AND STOP POSTING.
IF I said it---it is because i know what i am talking about---not because i want to in let my emotions take over and just
hate on cops for no other reason except ---that i didn't like seeing an old man get tased...and got all emotionally attached to the argument...
I have personally been involved in hundreds of in tasings and 90 to 95% of the suspects got a short burst from a taser---
AND IMMEDIATELY LAY FLAT ON THE IN GROUND AND IMMEDIATELY VOLUNTARILY PLACED THEIR HANDS BEHIND THEIR BACK TO BE HANDCUFFED. NONE OF THEM---0%----were ever injured by being tased.
The other 5-10% were unusual individuals who were NOT affected by taser---and were not affected by pepper spray.
There is a minuscule percentage of individuals in the world who are immune--for some reason---
to tasering and pepper spraying....
these individuals fought for their life and it took many,many officers to subdue them and the ONLY way that they could be controlled was to finally place them in an ERC
an emergency restraint chair
which is a chair that binds ALL of your extremities----
medical personnel have to be summoned to examine them so that the suspects hands,legs,head,neck,etc are properly and humanely secured...and make sure
they are ok and they are able to breathe and their blood is properly circulating,
etc....
I have personally seen dozens of individuals who were---pretty small--maybe 5-6 and 140 lbs
with super human strength
who were on some kind of hallucinogenic ....
and they took 15 officers to practically fight for their lives ---just to get him in this chair....
and afterwards
3-5 officers were nursing wounds, broken fingers, cuts scrapes,bites,bruises...etc
who ALL had to go get tested for AIDS---AND all other kinds of in diseases
let me tell you
the public can and moan all they want about ---like
arresting somebody NEATLY
WITH ONLY THE ABSOLUTE FORCE NECESSARY
ALL PRETTY AND TIED IN A IN NEAT BOW
but until you risk your in life and attempt to reason with in
idiots who think they can play games with an arresting officer
then just shut the up
or at least read the law---the penal code
before you start posting your bull opinions....
END OF IN RANT
go spurs
The only legitimate complaint in this whole thing is the use of the tazer on an old man with a heart condition. he could have died.
police should be forced to use physical force in those situations instead of tazers
Why do you double space every line to exagerate your post length?
incorrect...
he could have been hurt worse without the tasing
that is why
because I suck at typing...
and punctuation.
You mean besides not having a legal right to be inside his home?
/thread
Ummm...
When you are tasered your muscles tense up and you cannot put your arms behind your back.
A properly trained ing cop would know this.
I dont know the whole story and really dont give a .
The second and third taserings are beyond reasonable ing force and for that the cops need to be punished.
If after a minute, if you want 30 seconds (mind you, at this point the cops are on top of the old so he isnt going anywhere), he continues to resist then you taser him again. You dont taser him 3 times within what a minute? Thats a gross misuse of force, again I dont know the whole of the facts for the rest of it and really dont give a .
3 taserings in what? 30 seconds? Re ed and stupid.
The ONLY accurate thing you said so far....
is that you DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY...
neither do I...
thanks for finally seeing the light.
Ftfy. Your rage is ridiculous/hilarious.
Thanks for admitting that the cops used completely excessive force, and that you're 100% wrong.Good that you finally saw the light.
with superhuman strength---or immune to tasers and pepper spray?
or both?
regardless...
those guys are a to subdue and the worst--in my opinion
are the ones that fit all of the above criteria
PLUS
they are bat crazy
like the one off the top of my head who was superhuman strong
AND he was on something very strong
AND the er was convinced ---not only that we were trying to kill him...
but also that HE WAS ON FIRE...
I mean literally---he was convinced that he was bursting in in flames...
it took a load of officers to subdue that little er...
5 foot nothing
and a buck forty---soaking wet...
I you not--when we were finished---I literally collapsed in in exhaustion
and the in adrenaline lasted---on me--at least three to four hours solid...
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