God did not create the universe, says Hawking

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Uh, Einstein was NOT a theist. And don't pull out the god and dice thing, it was a metaphor.

You people have FAITH in god because you don't want to not exist when you die. You fear the unknown and choose to fool your minds to be at peace with your meaningless existence. Sorry, but that's what it is. And none of you can prove about god existing, and while science may not be able to fully prove he isn't real (and what a bull argument btw, because you nor science can't 100% prove there isn't a ing stay-puff marshmallow demon out there, or as redzero is implying, the tooth fairy, but everyone should know they don't exist), it has provided pretty solid evidence for everything else. The fact that you ADMITTEDLY uneducated people are really that stuck up that you think you know more than perhaps the biggest genius and physicist of our time is ing laughable. You are no one, just some on the internet holding on to the religious teddy bear at night so the boogie man doesn't get you. To assert that you know more that Hawking or your opinion means more than one of the most decorate scientists ever is ing ridiculous, and downright insulting to Hawking.

The bolded part just invalidated your entire ing argument in my eyes.

[TheManFromAcme]

Faith is not simply the recourse of an weak-minded religous nut. It is the sum and substance of any religous belief sytem. Faith is even the basis of the atheist's non-belief in God. The Bible describes faith as "the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Faith is not a pathetic baseless optimism for something that science disproves. Faith is actuality. Faith is substance. Faith is conviction.

The Christian does not need to understand religous epistemology (sp?) in order to have trustworthy assurance of things. They are objectively true without full understanding. They are subjectively true based on the internal confirmation of the holy spirit. Thus, when the Christian believes in the existence of God and the truth of the scripture, he believes in something just as reliable and even more certain as those things verified by the scientific method.

When an atheist rejects belief in God, he rejects any source of confidence beyond his own level of reasoning or understanding. The thinking atheist will be forever be questioning the origin of the universe, will be perplexed regarding morality and will be unsure of his/hers destiny and purpose of life.

The atheist uses faith too. He puts his faith in science or self. He presupposes that science or self are trustworthy places for his confidence and finds corroboration for the presupposition in the evidence that he can comprehend. He believes in his own testimony.

The atheist finds himself in the difficult position of denying all of those things that speak of God's existence and the validity of the Christian faith. He rejects God. He rejects the creation of the world by God. He rejects the deity of Christ. He rejects God's word. He suppresses the inner testimony that he has concerning the reality of God. All that he is left with his a feeble self-confidence. This is the atheists confidence.

Atheism declares that there is no God. Christianity teaches that there IS A GOD. Both cannot be true. So which one is correct redzero? The atheist? The Christian? How you respond depends upon faith. It depends on the source of your faith.

What do you have redzero? Faith in God or faith in yourself?

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Hmm, well, he has never been seen, heard, felt, smelled, tasted. None of our sense can detect him. So yep, he doesn't exist.

There is so much bull in this "logic" I'm not even going to get into it here.

[Leetonidas]

Also as redzero stated, the burden of proof lies on the theists, not atheists. I don't have to prove anything, because there's enough proof in science which doesn't matter because you all discredit it anyway. There's no point of having a religious debate because none of you people are interested in listening or learning anything from it, just shooting down everything or twisting into some nonsensical bull ala mouse. You cannot comprehend it so you castigate it. It's sad, especially since you call us "close-minded," when your minds are so closed that you pin all the grandiloquence of the universe on some bearded man in the sky and not the billions of years of intricate evolution.

[NASpurs]

Hmm, well, he has never been seen, heard, felt, smelled, tasted. None of our sense can detect him. So yep, he doesn't exist.

Black and white.

[Leetonidas]

There is so much bull in this "logic" I'm not even going to get into it here.

That's the point, theist. Annoying when someone uses your own religious logic, or lack thereof, against you?

[Leetonidas]

The bolded part just invalidated your entire ing argument in my eyes.

Really? Do you have a doctorate in physics or any kind of scientific field?

And no, it doesn't;

I'll bite redzero and I am going out on a limb here because I don't have a undergrad in the sciences, rather than in business so here we go and if I sound silly, I apologize;

In other words;

"I don't know what the I'm talking about so let me just spout off some more unscientific conjecture"

[redzero]

Science has nothing to do with faith at all.




Here are two videos debunking the claim that atheists have "faith" in science.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

That's the point, theist. Annoying when someone uses your own religious logic, or lack thereof, against you?

I don't get into religious "logic"--religion is faith-based (as has been beat to death if you'd paid any attention, idiot). Your previous "God can't exist because the human senses can't detect him" statement is bull because that same line of thinking could be (and has been) applied to a plethora of things that look stupid in hindsight.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Really? Do you have a doctorate in physics or any kind of scientific field?

And no, it doesn't;

Um, yes it does. By your re ed logic, every Christian needs a PhD to be a true believer. That alone is some ol' bull .

[NASpurs]

Hmm, well, he has never been seen, heard, felt, smelled, tasted. None of our sense can detect him. So yep, he doesn't exist.

I don't know, this makes me laugh still

[TheManFromAcme]

How is choosing to not believe in gods related to evolution at all?

Science uses empirical evidence to explain what human beings don't understand. Religion just stops at god(s) did it.

Really? Do you have a doctorate in physics or any kind of scientific field?

And no, it doesn't;



In other words;

"I don't know what the I'm talking about so let me just spout off some more unscientific conjecture"

I don't recall cursing at you Lee nor insulting you. So please, refrain.
If you claim higher intelligence in here than others, start by using acceptable language okay?

Your nobody in here nor are you better than anyone and just in case you haven't implied that, I am telling you just in case.

Grow up man.

[Leetonidas]

I don't recall insulting anyone, just pointing out the obvious that you guys aren't educated enough to sit here and try to derail whatever Hawking is saying. And man I can't believe you guys got so butthurt over that quote, which was obviously sarcasm.

There is no arguing with you people. You cannot argue faith, because the mind will believe what the heart desperately wants it to. The point is, you people running into this topic and trying to on Stephen Hawking is downright laughable. And once again, the burden of proof doesn't rest on atheists, it rests on you people. There is so much empirical evidence to back up our claims and your only argument is "prove to me he doesn't exist."

You people aren't debating, you're just whining about your faith because you feel like Hawking is personally attacking you. I really don't give a if you're religious, because there's nothing wrong with that. But quit being a buncha smug assholes about.

And LoneStarState'sPride, you're a got, btw.

[Leetonidas]

I don't get into religious "logic"--religion is faith-based (as has been beat to death if you'd paid any attention, idiot).

So you admit there's no logic involved in religion and it's completely based on hoping something's there? So you can't prove ? Gotcha, idiot.

Your previous "God can't exist because the human senses can't detect him" statement is bull because that same line of thinking could be (and has been) applied to a plethora of things that look stupid in hindsight.

No ing . You people are asking to SEE evidence against god and it's everywhere but when the same logic is applied then it's bull . You can't prove , and even you know that you don't know for sure if god exists. You're just really hoping, I know you are, and deep down, your subconscious does too. But whatever tool, keep talking like you know . It's religious idiots that are the root of ALL problems in this world.

[redzero]

So does anybody have evidence for the existence of God or are all of you just going to say that you believe for no reason over and over again?

[Leetonidas]

b-b-b-b-but the bible is the word of god so he must exist!!

[NASpurs]

I really don't give a if you're religious, because there's nothing wrong with that.

Anyone else think HE does give a ? I think it bothers him how anybody can believe in religion.

But quit being a buncha smug assholes about.

I wonder who the real smug assholes in here are.

[NASpurs]

So does anybody have evidence for the existence of God or are all of you just going to say that you believe for no reason over and over again?

Stop trolling dude. It's easy to keep asking for evidence when we know religion is faith based.

BTW, I got myself suckered into one of these threads. I promise myself I wouldn't participate.

[Leetonidas]

It bothers me how ing stupid and blind most of you people are yes, because in general I feel a sadness for humankind because of this. Religion is a cancer in this world and has only led to countless wars, genocide, and brutalities.

Besides I don't need to be smug, I know I'm far superior because I'm an atheist. That was never in question.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

I don't recall insulting anyone, just pointing out the obvious that you guys aren't educated enough to sit here and try to derail whatever Hawking is saying. And man I can't believe you guys got so butthurt over that quote, which was obviously sarcasm.

There is no arguing with you people. You cannot argue faith, because the mind will believe what the heart desperately wants it to. The point is, you people running into this topic and trying to on Stephen Hawking is downright laughable. And once again, the burden of proof doesn't rest on atheists, it rests on you people. There is so much empirical evidence to back up our claims and your only argument is "prove to me he doesn't exist."

You people aren't debating, you're just whining about your faith because you feel like Hawking is personally attacking you. I really don't give a if you're religious, because there's nothing wrong with that. But quit being a buncha smug assholes about.

And LoneStarState'sPride, you're a got, btw.

Leetonidas, it's obvious your reading comprehension is lower than the Mariana Trench, so I'll make this easy for you: go find ONE post of mine where I took a on Steven Hawking. Go ahead, I'll wait.............












................welcome back, . To address the rest of your post, you claim all this "empirical evidence" allegedly disproving the existence of God, then come up with NOTHING other than your re ed "I can't sense him, so he can't exist" charade (nice dodge there, btw). There is no "burden of proof" in an argument where faith is at the very core. To assert such shows a patent misunderstanding of the very subject you are debating.

Lastly, this is a message board--don't play the "oh my, they're being smug assholes because they defend themselves" card. I don't give a about what you or Steven Hawking believe, but I'm going to stick to my guns and dish it out as well as I can take it, ing Christian or not.

Ignorant got.

[redzero]

Stop trolling dude. It's easy to keep asking for evidence when we know religion is faith based.

BTW, I got myself suckered into one of these threads. I promise myself I wouldn't participate.

How am I trolling?

What is "faith"?

[LoneStarState'sPride]

BTW, I got myself suckered into one of these threads. I promise myself I wouldn't participate.

Man, I feel ya on that one. This is why I ing hate the offseason.

[NASpurs]

It bothers me how ing stupid and blind most of you people are yes, because in general I feel a sadness for humankind because of this. Religion is a cancer in this world and has only led to countless wars, genocide, and brutalities.

No religion isn't. People are. But if we're going to talk about the bad in religion then don't forget that religion organizations give the most donations in the US.

Besides I don't need to be smug, I know I'm far superior because I'm an atheist. That was never in question.

[Leetonidas]

Leetonidas, it's obvious your reading comprehension is lower than the Mariana Trench, so I'll make this easy for you: go find ONE post of mine where I took a on Steven Hawking. Go ahead, I'll wait.............












................welcome back, . To address the rest of your post, you claim all this "empirical evidence" allegedly disproving the existence of God, then come up with NOTHING other than your re ed "I can't sense him, so he can't exist" charade (nice dodge there, btw). There is no "burden of proof" in an argument where faith is at the very core. To assert such shows a patent misunderstanding of the very subject you are debating.

Lastly, this is a message board--don't play the "oh my, they're being smug assholes because they defend themselves" card. I don't give a about what you or Steven Hawking believe, but I'm going to stick to my guns and dish it out as well as I can take it, ing Christian or not.

Ignorant got.

Your butthurt replies say otherwise.

[redzero]

Ignorant got.

That reminds me--how many sexuals have you personally executed? The Bible does state that sexuality is an abomination and is punishable by death.