God did not create the universe, says Hawking

[Phenomanul]

1.) God's morals are supposed to be unchanging, so if it is okay to beat a slave to death in the Old Testament, it should be okay in the New Testament.

Here is something from the New Testament about the Old Testament:



Pretty clear there.



And he condoned slavery, killing sexuals, unruly children and nonbelievers.



God, who is perfect and therefore unchanging, made those laws. Are you saying that he is imperfect?



Bull .

Here are passages from the New Testament that tell people NOT to disregard the laws of the Old Testament:












Please, bull your way out of interpreting these passages at face value.

copying and pasting from atheistic sites... were it not for the order of the scriptures you posted I wouldn't have noticed...

And yes there are explanations that reconcile everything you just posted... but like I said, you honestly aren't searching for the truth... How can you claim you are searching for GOD when you are eager to mock Him at every twist and turn...

[Phenomanul]

And? They didn't do it in the name of atheism.

Attrocities committed outside of GOD's will are done in the name of materialism... if the shoe fits.

Jesus said, "You're either for Me or against Me. And he that is not for Me is against Me."

[Phenomanul]

I push for answers because I care. If I didn't care I wouldn't be asking questions.

Please show specifically where I posted a strawman argument.

Also, please answer the following simple question:

and it's a yes or no question.

Is the King James the ordained word of God?

The strawman is where you are going with this... and.... I don't care to take you there.

[redzero]

opying and pasting from atheistic sites... were it not for the order of the scriptures you posted I wouldn't have noticed...

Those are unaltered passages from the Bible, so who cares where I got them from?

And yes there are explanations that reconcile everything you just posted...

Good, I'm waiting to read them.

but like I said, you honestly aren't searching for the truth...

Of course, I spent all this time asking for answers but I secretly don't want them.
Christians are trying their hardest not to explain why slavery isn't condoned in the Bible.

How can you claim you are searching for GOD when you are eager to mock Him at every twist and turn...

Shut up and give me your explanations.

I'm tired of hearing, "There is a reason for all of this, but I'm not going to give it to you because you don't want to hear it."

[DarkReign]

These threads are always gold. But I do get surprised by the participants at times.

Personally? I dont really care if religious people think theyre better than me anymore, or worse, actually feel pity on my behalf.

All I know, with 100% certainty, is that if they truly believe, then they are all hypocrites on a range of issues.

[redzero]

Jesus said, "You're either for Me or against Me. And he that is not for Me is against Me."

Jesus also said that everything in the Old Testament should be adhered to, but you don't believe that.

[Blake]

The strawman is where you are going with this... and.... I don't care to take you there.

I am absolutely not setting up a strawman so that I can knock it down. You have no clue what a strawman is.

It's a very simple yes or no question.

The King James very, very, very, very, very clearly says wives.

Is the King James the ordained word of God?

Yes or no?

[Blake]

These threads are always gold. But I do get surprised by the participants at times.

Personally? I dont really care if religious people think theyre better than me anymore, or worse, actually feel pity on my behalf.

All I know, with 100% certainty, is that if they truly believe, then they are all hypocrites on a range of issues.

Pretty much.

I hope to learn something new, but in the end, I guess I just like the entertainment value.

[Phenomanul]

1.) God's morals are supposed to be unchanging, so if it is okay to beat a slave to death in the Old Testament, it should be okay in the New Testament.

Here is something from the New Testament about the Old Testament:

Pretty clear there.

And he condoned slavery, killing sexuals, unruly children and nonbelievers.

God, who is perfect and therefore unchanging, made those laws. Are you saying that he is imperfect?

I'm saying the Law was perfected IN Christ... that's why it was both imperfect and incomplete. And since Jesus' triumphed over death we are perfected in Him... not by the law.

Bull .

Here are passages from the New Testament that tell people NOT to disregard the laws of the Old Testament:


Please, bull your way out of interpreting these passages at face value.

"Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive.

And yes, those that live by the law... are still cursed by it. The law however, no longer has power over believers; we've been freed from that bondage. So everything Jesus said in the quotes you highlighted are still perfectly reconciled by the context of the Covenants... those who reject GOD however are bound by the Old Covenant.

[Phenomanul]

I am absolutely not setting up a strawman so that I can knock it down. You have no clue what a strawman is.

It's a very simple yes or no question.

The King James very, very, very, very, very clearly says wives.

Is the King James the ordained word of God?

Yes or no?

Pushy troll...

[Phenomanul]

Jesus also said that everything in the Old Testament should be adhered to, but you don't believe that.

Did you see who he was speaking to? Of course not cause you just copied and pasted it from some website that supposedly alleges the point you've been trying to make...

If you did, you would understand the context.

[Phenomanul]

These threads are always gold. But I do get surprised by the participants at times.

Personally? I dont really care if religious people think theyre better than me anymore, or worse, actually feel pity on my behalf.

All I know, with 100% certainty, is that if they truly believe, then they are all hypocrites on a range of issues.

Did you enter the thread because I used the word pity in reference to one of Blake's posts?

You realize he's been trolling such threads for years... he's just out to get a rise out of folks...

That said, yes... most definitely we're all sinners... We should be living lives of continual repentance... no one here has claimed moral superiority. I'm trying to make the point that outsiders can't set the terms for the understanding of our own scriptures. I'm not suggesting they aren't allowed to understand them... But somehow that elicited their undignified anger....

[redzero]

I'm saying the Law was perfected IN Christ... that's why it was both imperfect and incomplete. And since Jesus' triumphed over death we are perfected in Him... not by the law.

God made the laws and Jesus said to follow them.

And yes, those that live by the law... are still cursed by it.

Well, God made the laws, so those who follow God's own laws will be cursed.

And what about the ten commandments? They were a part of the old covenant.

The law however, no longer has power over believers;

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

Are you saying that this is wrong?

we've been freed from that bondage.

What bondage? The bondage of God's own laws?

So everything Jesus said in the quotes you highlighted are still perfectly reconciled by the context of the Covenants... those who reject GOD are bound by the Old Covenant.

Know they are not, you liar.

“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

You are lying and this is sad and pathetic. Jesus said that the old testament laws should be followed FOREVER. PERIOD.

Did you see who he was speaking to?

Oh, the scripture doesn't apply to me. I guess the ten commandments don't apply either.

[redzero]

The New Testament says that the Old Testament laws should be followed forever, but Phenomenal disagrees with his own holy book.

[Phenomanul]

Oh I don't know, judging from this thread your mental health is suffering quite a bit. I don't think thats my doing, however, so I guess you're right.

Now you can go sit atop your lofty perch again... throw stones, run away while yelling, "you can't act like me... you can't retaliate!.... oooooh how can you call yourself a Christian?". Such mockery and sneering is unbecoming of anyone... but I don't expect any better from some folks in here...

[Phenomanul]

The New Testament says that the Old Testament laws should be followed forever, but Phenomenal disagrees with his own holy book.

redzero can't understand who Jesus was talking too... all who reject Him are bound by those rules forever...

but... don't let that distinction hit you on the way out...

[redzero]

redzero can't understand who Jesus was talking too... all who reject Him are bound by those rules forever...

but... don't let that distinction hit you on the way out...

Show me the passage that says that only the people who reject him are bound by the rules of the Old Testament.

[admiralsnackbar]

You are lying and this is sad and pathetic. Jesus said that the old testament laws should be followed FOREVER. PERIOD.

If that's so, why did he rebel against the rabbis, extend the Abrahamic covenant to all men, and generally piss off conservative Jews of the era?

[Blake]

I'm saying the Law was perfected IN Christ... that's why it was both imperfect and incomplete. And since Jesus' triumphed over death we are perfected in Him... not by the law.

So God gave imperfect law to his chosen people.

Why did he not perfect it at the start?

Sucks for O.T. people.

[redzero]

If that's so, why did he rebel against the rabbis, extend the Abrahamic covenant to all men, and generally piss off conservative Jews of the era?

Or practice on the Sabbath. Or say that only that which comes out of man will defiles him.

And it's not what I say; it's written in the Bible.

[Blake]

Pushy troll...

I'm not trolling. You made it a distinct point to say God does not condone polygamy.

I pointed out a verse that says he does.

You dismissed the King James version that I posted.

I want to know if you think the King James the ordained word of God?

Yes or no?

Your inability to answer simple questions does not make me a troll.

[redzero]

I'm still waiting on the reason why that which is written in the Old Testament doesn't count.

And I bet my life that Phenomanul thinks the Ten Commandments count even though they were in the Old Testament.

[Phenomanul]

God made the laws and Jesus said to follow them.



Well, God made the laws, so those who follow God's own laws will be cursed.

And what about the ten commandments? They were a part of the old covenant.





Are you saying that this is wrong?



What bondage? The bondage of God's own laws?



Know they are not, you liar.



You are lying and this is sad and pathetic. Jesus said that the old testament laws should be followed FOREVER. PERIOD.



Oh, the scripture doesn't apply to me. I guess the ten commandments don't apply either.

So... you're going to 'dig your heels in' on this one?

Even though by this point it's pretty clear to me you've never studied the Scriptures... What Jesus said most definitely applies to you. And since I'm 100% certain you don't follow the Law of the prophets you will be condemned to an existence apart from GOD. Because unless you've accepted the New Convenant... you are bound by the Old Covenant.

In my case, I know I couldn't keep the law even if I tried... I'm not bound by my works (the law) but by GOD's gift of grace. That is the bridge JESUS came to build.

But again, go ahead and pretend to be the blind man leading the blind.

[Phenomanul]

I'm not trolling. You made it a distinct point to say God does not condone polygamy.

I pointed out a verse that says he does.

You dismissed the King James version that I posted.

I want to know if you think the King James the ordained word of God?

Yes or no?

Your inability to answer simple questions does not make me a troll.

but your insistance on derailment does.

[Blake]

Did you enter the thread because I used the word pity in reference to one of Blake's posts?

You realize he's been trolling such threads for years... he's just out to get a rise out of folks...

No I'm not. I'm not making this personal, you are.

Is the King James the ordained word of God?

Yes or no?

Why are you taking such offense at this question?