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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    Obama wins the right to invoke "State Secrets" to protect Bush crimes

    By Glenn Greenwald


    In a 6-5 ruling issued this afternoon, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals handed the Obama administration a major victory in its efforts to shield Bush crimes from judicial review, when the court upheld the Obama DOJ's argument that Bush's rendition program, used to send victims to be tortured, are "state secrets" and its legality thus cannot be adjudicated by courts. The Obama DOJ had appealed to the full 9th Circuit from last year's ruling by a 3-judge panel which rejected the "state secrets" argument and held that it cannot be used as a weapon to shield the Executive Branch from allegations in this case that it broke the law. I've written multiple times about this case, brought by torture/rendition victim Binyam Mohamed and several others against the Boeing subsidiary which, at the behest of the Bush administration, rendered them to be tortured.







    Flu permitting, I'll have much more to say about this decision tomorrow, but for the moment, I wanted to highlight the first paragraph from The New York Times article on this ruling, written by Charlie Savage. Just marvel, in particular, at the last sentence (click on image to enlarge):

    "The ruling handed a major victory to the Obama administration in its effort to advance a sweeping view of executive secrecy power." That says it all.


    The distorted, radical use of the state secret privilege -- as a broad-based immunity weapon for compelling the dismissal of entire cases alleging Executive lawbreaking, rather than a narrow discovery tool for suppressing the use of specific classified do ents -- is exactly what the Bush administration did to such extreme controversy. To see how true that is, just look at this article from Talking Points Memo, from April of last year, in which Zachary Roth consulted with numerous legal experts about my argument that Obama was abusing this weapon in exactly the same way Bush did. His findings were encapsulated in the TPM headline:

    Roth wrote:

    Salon's Glenn Greenwald wrote that the move "demonstrates that the Obama DOJ plans to invoke the exact radical doctrines of executive secrecy which Bush used." MSNBC's Keith Olbermann called it "deja vu all over again".


    Not having Greenwald's training in cons utional law (and perhaps lacking Olbermann's all-conquering self-confidence), we wanted to get a sense from a few independent experts as to how to assess the administration's position on the case. Does it represent a continuation of the Bushies' obsession with putting secrecy and executive power above basic cons utional rights? Is it a sweeping power grab by the executive branch, that sets set a broad and dangerous precedent for future cases by asserting that the government has the right to get lawsuits dismissed merely by claiming that state secrets are at stake, without giving judges any discretion whatsoever?
    In a word, yes.
    Suffice to say -- with great understatement -- Obama's doing this doesn't trigger the same level of outrage and objection as when Bush did it, at least not in most circles. And I do so fondly recall the days back in the Spring of last year when civil libertarians who were vigorously objecting to Obama's Bush-replicating legal positions were told by vocal Obama supporters that Obama was only doing this in order to ensure that Bush's extremist legal theories were rejected by courts and thus we were all generously showered with the Magnanimous Gift of Good Precedent. Again with great understatement, Obama's appealing the 9th Circuit's rejection of the Bush/Obama "state secrets" argument to the full court -- and thus securing one of the most harmful judicial endorsements ever of this radical secrecy doctrine -- is not exactly consistent with that Obama-justifying rationale.


    Mother Jones' Nick Baumann and Marcy Wheeler have more on today's victory for executive immunity. The ACLU's Ben Wizner, who argued the case on behalf of the plaintiffs, said:

    This is a sad day not only for the torture victims whose attempt to seek justice has been extinguished, but for all Americans who care about the rule of law and our nation's reputation in the world. To date, not a single victim of the Bush administration's torture program has had his day in court. If today's decision is allowed to stand, the United States will have closed its courtroom doors to torture victims while providing complete immunity to their torturers. The torture architects and their enablers may have escaped the judgment of this court, but they will not escape the judgment of history.
    Are you feeling enthused to go vote? If not, just close your eyes and think "SARAH PALIN," and all of this will blissfully disappear. Besides, the President got really animated in his speech on Monday, so that's important.

    UPDATE: One other highly illustrative passage from Savage's NYT article today (h/t Brad Friedman):

    The decision bolstered an array of ways in which the Obama administration has pressed forward with broad counter-terrorism policies after taking over from the Bush team, a degree of continuity that has departed from the expectations fostered by President Obama’s campaign rhetoric, which was often sharply critical of President Bush’s approach.


    Among other policies, the Obama team has also placed a United States citizen on a targeted-killings list without a trial, blocked efforts by detainees in Afghanistan to bring habeas-corpus lawsuits challenging their indefinite imprisonment, and continued the C.I.A. rendition program . . . .


    As a senator and candidate for the White House, President Obama had criticized the Bush administration’s frequent use of the state-secrets privilege. In February 2009, when his weeks-old administration reaffirmed the Bush administration's view on the case, civil libertarian groups that had supported his campaign expressed shock and dismay.
    That, too, is superb under-statement: Obama's continuity of Bush's Terrorism policies "has departed from the expectations fostered by President Obama’s campaign rhetoric." Yes, one could say that.



    Just to give a sense for how far we've traveled, how low we've fallen, here's what The New York Times' John Schwartz reported in February, 2009, when the Obama DOJ first told the 9th Circuit that they were going to assert the same "state secrets" arguments in this case which the Bush DOJ made: "In a closely watched case involving rendition and torture, a lawyer for the Obama administration seemed to surprise a panel of federal appeals judges on Monday by pressing ahead with an argument for preserving state secrets originally developed by the Bush administration." Schwartz described how the judges on the appellate panel were so startled that they actually asked multiple times if the Obama DOJ was really sticking with the Bush position, as though they couldn't believe what they were hearing. What a quaint time that was, when people were surprised by Obama's replicating Bush's secrecy and Terrorism positions -- the very ones he so vehemently condemned when running for President. After 18 months of seeing this over and over in multiple realms, nobody would react that way now.

    UPDATE II: The New York Times has a quite good Editorial on this matter this morning -- headlined: "Torture Is a Crime, Not a Secret" -- and explains: "Barack Obama told voters in 2008 that he opposed the government cult of secrecy, but once he became president, his Justice Department also argued that the case should be dismissed on secrecy grounds." The history of America's torture regime will record not only the criminality and shamefulness of the torture itself, but also the subsequent -- and ongoing -- effort by the U.S. Government to prevent its victims from obtaining any justice while protecting the perpetrators from all accountability.

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    "you can't handle the truth"

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    And you are surprised why? The Executive Branch is not willingly going to give up it's right to invoke "state secrets" to hide it's actions.

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    I was reading about this yesterday. Another sad day in American history. Hopefully the SCOTUS can correct this situation, but I'm not holding my breath.

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    F'ing BS.

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    Gotta love politicians when they hit the stump criticizing their opponents for placing "party over country," then turn around and put party over country.

    Dems are so where's-my-wubby scared that they might suffer the same fate as the GOP after the Clinton impeachment nonsense that they aren't willing to investigate/prosecute the members of the 43 administration. Or as CC said, maybe they just don't want to give up the uncons utional, morally-suspect but easy-as- "yank potential enemies out from the Geneva Convention's aegis and sweep those es under a top-secret rug" technique we've had such political success with these past 10 years.

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    You guys still don't get it.

    It's not about torture or prisoners.

    It's about the Executive Branch being able to give the rest of the government the finger and hide they do behind the "secret" wall. It's all about having power and not wanting to give it up.

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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    You guys still don't get it.

    It's not about torture or prisoners.

    It's about the Executive Branch being able to give the rest of the government the finger and hide they do behind the "secret" wall. It's all about having power and not wanting to give it up.
    Well... duh. But that encompasses everything else. Being able to hide all this crap behind a secret wall only encourages them to create more crap.

    Is the state secrets privilege valid in limited cases? Surely. For specific evidence, not whole cases. What's to stop the government from just using state secrets in any case it may find itself on the losing side of?

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    This administration is getting clearer and clearer. Isn't it.

    Is it transparent enough for you liberals?

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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    This administration is getting clearer and clearer. Isn't it.

    Is it transparent enough for you liberals?
    Which liberals are you referring to? WH23, I and others have lamented his stance on civil liberties since Day 1 or so.

    You conservatives don't seem to mind him continuing Bush policies too much though.

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    The Bush administration needs to be prosecuted for its violation of international torture law...notice i said the word 'international', as in, held accountable by the world....

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    ...but condemnation by the torturers own country sometimes takes decades or centuries..if ever, stinks...

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    Which liberals are you referring to? WH23, I and others have lamented his stance on civil liberties since Day 1 or so.

    You conservatives don't seem to mind him continuing Bush policies too much though.
    We aren't the ones that got so pumped up, believing the campaign lies.

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    We aren't the ones that got so pumped up, believing the campaign lies.
    eerie.... Circa 2010

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    This administration is getting clearer and clearer. Isn't it.

    Is it transparent enough for you liberals?
    Republican administration's war crimes are being covered up and Republican Cobra says "See, this is bull !!"

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    Republican administration's war crimes are being covered up and Republican Cobra says "See, this is bull !!"
    It gets dumber...remember the wing-nut campaign add for 2012 is ...but he promised to fix our mess! Liar!

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    The Bush administration needs to be prosecuted for its violation of international torture law...notice i said the word 'international', as in, held accountable by the world....
    Whatever. It's enough for me that indefinite and abusive detentions are contrary to US treaty and statute. Maybe the future will see a revival of the rule of law. For the present, we're ed: the lack of accountability virtually assures the relevant abuses will recur.

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    Whatever. It's enough for me that indefinite and abusive detentions are contrary to US treaty and statute. Maybe the future will see a revival of the rule of law. For the present, we're ed: the lack of accountability virtually assures the relevant abuses will recur.
    I agree....I pail to think the abuse potential by a Palin administration...

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    I have an idea...lets not torture and murder...

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    I agree....I pail to think the abuse potential by a Palin administration...
    The outrageous, Brit-style state secrets privilege insisted on by Obama and upheld by the 9th circuit means that if Obama is doing it right now, we'll probably never find out.

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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    We aren't the ones that got so pumped up, believing the campaign lies.
    So you're insulting those who hoped Obama might pull back some of the civil liberty infringements that Bush enacted? At least Obama paid some lip service to them, which is more than McCain did.

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    America will eventually have to face its demons, but don't look for it too happen while we still have troops in harms way...

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    This administration is getting clearer and clearer. Isn't it.

    Is it transparent enough for you liberals?


    The liberals expected Obama to go after Bush, but he just continued Bush policies. Presidents protect Presidents, that's just how it is.

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    The liberals expected Obama to go after Bush, but he just continued Bush policies. Presidents protect Presidential Power, that's just how it is.
    Fixed it for you.

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    merely the latest example of how bush = obama.

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