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I like said Manu can be a top player in the league when he is on but how often is that or when was the last time he has been able maintain that high level of play?
BTW putting a YouTube video of a play from two years ago doesn't say much.
To say that Wade clearly wins out would be a miscarriage of justice and show us that there are lazy fans who are coerced by the 4-letter. I'll say it again, if Manu was a Knick or a Celtic, he'd be called a demi-god. I pointed out the stats. And the fact that Manu gets all his as a sidekick shows you how big he can play. Spurs fan can attest to how big he plays when the other 2 are out due to injury. ARG Fan will tell you that it is Manu who optimizes their team when it's most called for.
If anything, the only reason that Pop doesn't let Manu do that is because he goes all out for this game. He's got to be protected from his compe iveness at times until it's time not to be. If Disney/ABC/4-letter didn't control it with their snide y at ude, they would have let Ginobili co-MVP with Duncan in 2005. To say Manu isn't the player that he was would belie why the Spurs re-signed him to an extension. In fact, it's because HE IS THAT PLAYER, he got that extension. You'll see it. And when he blocks DWade on National TV Again, perhaps you'll finally recognize just how good he really is. I can tell you this, ARG missed him today but I can also say that I'm glad he got to rest this off-season.
I like said Manu can be a top player in the league when he is on but how often is that or when was the last time he has been able maintain that high level of play?
BTW putting a YouTube video of a play from two years ago doesn't say much.
RECOGNIZE! You espouse to the "ride your star player" theory. You're perfect for the 4-letter demographic, basketball fan easily swayed by dunks, scoring around 1 point per shot taken, and ball domination. I espouse to more of a balanced load. In San Antonio, while Tim would still be option 1, it's easy to label Parker and/or Ginobli as 1A/1B. That's how good the Big 3. I feel that this year, with the Big 3 well rested for the 1st time in years, with continued improvement from Hill, Blair, McDyess & especially Jefferson, add 1 solid pick & roll big who can defend and pass, then add the cohesion that Pop preaches, this team could beat Miami. When it gets down to it, outside of National Team play or All-Star games, these guys have no clue of how it really is going to be. I think Erik Spoelstra, is a good coach and I root for he guy since his heritage matches mine but I'm not sure he'll be able to rapidly turn Miami into this championship contender overnight like the Q ratings people hope. I've watched this game an awfully long time and watched many supposed All-Star teams tumble to failure.
Oh and the video was just for Spurs fans amusement and since it was DWade vs. Manu, I found it relevant.
You think I wanted Wade to carry the team with no help? What do I want to see this year now that the Heat have their own big 3? I mean since you know already right? Wade did what a superstar should and carried a team of scrubs until now.
As for the Spurs beating the Heat in series. Not a chance of that happening period. First they must get past the Lakers and then some how without the defenders needed, stop Wade and Lebron. At this point Manu is past his prime and Wade is in his.
Funny thing with chaz is that he always ignores defence. I don't even think he understands what the word means or its relevance.
Chaz, do you still think Hill played good D against Nash in the Suns series? Then why did we get swept?
Pointless to compare what SA can do against the East when they can't get by LA.
Hoping age hampers LA while ignoring 2 of 3 of SA's Big 3 are older than any of the top players on the Lakers (Especially when its been SA routinely running out of gas come playoff time) is as delusional as they come.
Manu could probably match Wade's output for a couple games during a 7-game series. However I honestly don't think a series between the Heat and Spurs would get past 4, so it wouldn't last long enough for that to happen.
Miami is going to be a historically great offensive team, and the Spurs just aren't a good defensive team anymore. With Bowen and a prime Duncan manning the middle they could probably hold down the paint well enough to mitigate some damage, but Wade and James defended by and Manu with old Timmy guarding the rim....it would be ugly. One of them could average 40.
Wrong. They're no longer historically great or even very good, but they're still one of the better defensive teams in the league. They finished 9th last season in defensive efficiency and they figure to be better next season with the addition of Splitter. Also, Jefferson, McDyess and Blair should be more comfortable with the rotation's.
The problem with the Spurs defense is it get's compared to what it used to be, which is unfair. If any other team finished 9th in defensive efficiency, guess what they'd be considered? A fairly good defensive team. So why aren't the Spurs?
I agree that the Spurs is a fairly good defensive team, about 9th in the league. Problem is then there are 8 better teams on D and we would have to compensate by having better O than all those teams.
I should have said "very good". But good isn't good enough in todays NBA. You have to be great at it. Especially against a team like the Heat. They're going to make a lot of 'good' defenses look horrible.
Hill obviously has trouble defending quick pgs. That wont be a problem against heat or lakers. Hill has perfect body to defend a Wade, just needs to get it right mechanically and mentally. Plus, everyone assumes their offense is gonna be top notch... Lets remember heat played at one of the slowest paces in the league last year with zero post presence, which is incredible, not to mention theyve now added bosh who they have to feed. Also, their pgs are pitiful right now. Wade and lebron also might avg. The most turnovers for two teammates combined in history.
Well, in a world where age does not matter Spurs would allways be winners but...
if the Spurs can stay healthy they can beat anyone. it would be in every other teams best interest for the Spurs to be injured, otherwise they have their hands full.
Do u plan on posting anything beneficial in this thread, or just keep posting stuff a 4th grader heat fan could rebuttle with
How does a team go from getting swept in the second round to becoming contenders without pulling major moves?(getting splitter is not a major move).
And enough with the "this time tim/manu/tony will be healty!!!". There is even more chance right now that tim/manu will not be 100% come playoff time. There will be a race to make the playoffs in the west this year, and spurs cannot simply play duncan 25 minutes if they hope on making the post season.
Signing players like bonner/ also makes me wonder about the direction the spurs organization wanna go...
Hill couldn't stay in front of a 50 year old nash, and now he's gonna defend wade?
Not surprising this is coming from the maker of suck classics as "spurs need bonner".
We have three guys that can still put up 30 any night.
If Splitter can play we will have two legitimate defensive 7 footers which will help us be more consistent on defense.
People are definitely putting the cart before the horse in these discussions. Right now its not Lakers vs. Spurs, its about to be an 82 game season. If we stay healthy, we can win 60 games and a good seed.
If we do that then you bet your ass we're contenders. Right now the season has not even started.
How many times those guys put up 30 points last season?
Not so many i guess. I love the Spurs but let's face it we will never be champions again until we seriously improve our D. The big 3 are our best defenders right now but they are not getting younger. We add some shooters and Splitter. That's fine but far from enough if u ask me.
LOL. Great question so I had to check for games of 30+
Parker did it once - 11/25 vs GS
Duncan did it twice - 12/15 vs Phx, 1/8 vs Dal
Ginobili did it three times - 3/8 vs Cle, 3/21 vs Atl, 3/26 vs Cle, 4/4 vs LA
7 times all season, twice vs Cle, once vs LA & Dal, and GS, Phx, Atl who should barely count because of no defense and uptempo play.
Hard to bank on any of them gettting 30.
Response fit the post perfectly.
Athleticism is something that the Spurs struggle with greatly and next year being a year older won't help. You said Hill struggles against quick PGs then turned around and said he would be perfect for Wade. Last I checked Hill had a hard time with Nash. Hill also doesn't fight through screens well and Wade uses a lot in his game. Not mentioning that Wade is much stronger and much more athletic.
The match up of Lebron would be terror for the Spurs and with both Wade and Bosh who present match up problems themselves, just makes the case of the Spurs winning a 7 game series unlikely. The Spurs don't have a big with the foot speed to chase around Bosh. Duncan just can't dominate a series anymore and you could see it in the Suns series, where he should have had his way.
That's far more a reflection of the way the Spurs play than it is any of their capabilities.
Here's their field goal attempts per game and minutes per game from last season...
Duncan: 13.9, Ginobili: 12.0, Parker: 12.8.
Duncan: 31.3, Ginobili: 28.7, Parker: 30.9
It's difficult to score 30 when you don't shoot even 14 times per game or average even 32 minutes per game, but it's much easier to do so when you shoot 21.5 times per game and play 38.8 minutes per game.
I know Lakers fans think real basketball is to have one phony, rapist, stats obsessed gunner firing away relentlessly, but there are still some teams that realize it's a team game.
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